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76  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who will be Trump's running mate? on: May 04, 2016, 08:16:48 pm
Mary Fallin
77  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How much is Sanders hurting Clinton, now that Trump can fully pivot? on: May 04, 2016, 07:40:52 pm
It was different because both her and her supporters still had respect for the Democratic Party at the end of the day. Bernie has stoked the fire so much that we have far-leftists deciding to support a fascist over someone who was once one of the more liberal members of the senate.
78  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How much is Sanders hurting Clinton, now that Trump can fully pivot? on: May 04, 2016, 07:32:37 pm
Substantially. Maybe I live in an echo chamber, but I still have friends calling her a "moderate Republican," which the facts just don't support. It's because the wound that is Bernie Sanders and his supporters has been allowed to fester. He's pretty objectively doing harm now that the contest is officially over on the other side.
79  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: A moment of reflection on: May 04, 2016, 05:46:17 pm
Laughing stock? You mean wildly successful in all facets of life, more so than nearly anybody in this country?

The way the goalposts have been moved to not only legitimize but embrace the outlandish and ridiculous candidacy of Donald Trump continues to astound me.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

He has made at least twenty statements on twenty separate occasions that would have derailed Presidential candidates in 2012 or earlier, Senate candidates in 2008 or earlier, and before 1994 or so, would have derailed anyone running for political office, at any level, anywhere but the very fringes of our great republic.

Well, exactly. Treating him "neutrally," which the press seems to be doing, is, in effect, treating him favourably, because by any objective standards he is an offensive joke of a candidate. The mainstream media has basically desensitized itself to him, which is quite dangerous.
80  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: A moment of reflection on: May 04, 2016, 01:10:19 pm
Laughing stock? You mean wildly successful in all facets of life, more so than nearly anybody in this country?

The way the goalposts have been moved to not only legitimize but embrace the outlandish and ridiculous candidacy of Donald Trump continues to astound me.
81  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Indiana Primary results thread (first polls close at 6pm ET) on: May 04, 2016, 02:01:53 am
Congratulations to Sanders on his win in Indiana. However, now it is time for him to unite the Democratic Party because the GOP is going to unite as best they can behind Trump

Uhhh... Bernie is an independent, and many, many of his supporters are independents.  It's not our damn party.  Take it and shove it.  

Why can't Her Highness unite it?  Why do you need us?  

Sad.

Independents are sad?  More independents than members of our two awful parties.  The independent mindset must have something right about it.

There isn't an 'Independent' mindset.

There aren't a huge number of people in this country who don't see either party as a solution to the problems we face?  Lol.  

Take a seat, hack.  You're not worth my time.  

I think considering your behaviour this season, you're the last person who should throw 'hack' around.

And my point... which you chose to ignore so you could make another proclamation wasn't that there are people who are Independent and don't feel part of the two-party system, but that there isn't an 'Independent mindset' that unites them or signifies a movement. Because the whole concept of the Independent has been shattered in the last decade. There isn't anything that defines someone as an Independent, other than not registering with a party... that's it.  

My behaviour?  Sorry, dad.  I'm sure the docile teen loyalists that flood this place are easier to get along with because they love picking a team, but i don't roll that way.  

And rejection of the two parties is clearly enough in my eyes.  It's not like the two parties don't have their own pissing matches.  There are plenty of advantages to aligning oneself with the Dems or GOP.  To reject it shows more than enough agreement to consider the collective.

Lol. I would identitfy as an Independent if I were an American, and perhaps the only drawback of doing so would be that I'd inevitably be lumped into a group with the likes of you. Being so devoted to extremist ideological purity that you cannot support candidates who would actually move things in the direction you want is not something I respect. I doubt I am alone in thinking this way.
82  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How ya feeling tonight? on: May 03, 2016, 09:40:00 pm
Terrified.
83  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Indiana Primary results thread (first polls close at 6pm ET) on: May 03, 2016, 06:48:07 pm
Am I the only one who's sick of Bernie's canned Wall Street speeches schtick?

No.
84  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Indiana Primary results thread (first polls close at 6pm ET) on: May 03, 2016, 06:46:06 pm
Looks like JCL really is representative of the rest of the state if we're judging average intelligence.
85  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Indiana Primary results thread (first polls close at 6pm ET) on: May 03, 2016, 06:12:10 pm
It's getting scary again.
86  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Indiana Primary results thread (first polls close at 6pm ET) on: May 03, 2016, 05:50:05 pm
Well, I'm a bit embarrassed for feeling worried earlier today... Cheesy
87  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: WV-PPP: D: Sanders 45% Clinton 37%, R: Trump 61%, Cruz 22% Kasich 14% on: May 03, 2016, 02:32:32 pm
Would be interesting to see how Clinton's numbers are trending. Compared to a months' old poll, she's up, but it's hard to draw conclusions from that.

But if the double whammy of New York Tuesday and Pennsylvania Tuesday have given Hillary some momentum, she could be rising here and be in contention for the win.

I doubt it, but hey... who knows?
88  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who would you rather have as President? Cruz or Trump? on: May 03, 2016, 02:28:03 pm
Cruz. I mean, I hate Cruz more just in terms of things like "character," but Cruz isn't as publically vitriolic as Trump. It would be horrible, but I could at least trust Cruz to do the job of president without inflaming things too much.
89  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would you be completely shocked if Cruz won tonight? on: May 03, 2016, 02:25:40 pm
Yep. I was more confident in Cruz's prospects tonight last week than I am now. Everything he's done to scramble for a win has absolutely reeked of desperation, and if anything these actions have hurt him.
90  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary's trip to west virginia didn't go too well on: May 03, 2016, 01:07:04 am
I wouldn't say West Virginia is a "microcosm" of the Democratic Party's relationship with the white working class at all. More like West Virginia is a macrocosm of their issues with the coal industry and those that depend on it, along with Kentucky, SW Pennsylvania, SE Ohio, some areas of Virginia, etc. Anyway, kudos to her for visiting I guess, but the state is and will remain hostile territory to Democrats for a long time. Just like Vermont was a reliable Republican state that went hard towards the Democratic party in a short amount of time, West Virginia was a reliable Democratic state that is (has) going hard towards the Republican party in a short amount of time. I can see Trump getting 65-70% in the state even if Hillary wins nationwide by double digits.

The problem is that the Democrats have gone hard left on the issues that matter to them most.  The Dems went from being moderate environmentalists (I'm pretty sure most people would support the Clean Water Act, for example) to hardcore hippie Sierra Club activists about it.  Considering WV is a coal state, that doesn't play too well there.  If the Democrats could shift a bit more to the middle on environmental issues, while still supporting labor rights and the basics of the New Deal, WV could shift back to the blue column.

I could see a moderate like Evan Bayh, Jim Webb, John Bel Edwards, etc. putting it into play in a future election.

Not trying to pick on you personally, but there's good reason the Democrats have gone "hard left" on coal. It's a major contributor towards climate change, which the Department of Defense considers a significant threat to national security.

"Shifting a bit more to the middle" on the environment at this point is like shifting a little towards the middle on allowing poison in baby food. It doesn't frelling matter how much of WV's economy depends on poisonous baby food, it's still a bad idea.
Your radical environmental positions are stealing baby food from babies and starving the people Appalachia by crushing their income so think about that before you pretend to hold the righteous ground.
Yeah, but if they were at all willing to try and embrace a new kind of baby food, things could begin to turn around and recover. Problem is, these babies insist on eating poison.
91  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Are we all excited for the impending GE campaign? on: May 02, 2016, 09:43:50 pm
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Watching casual sexism championed as a political strategy and seeing women demonized for "playing the woman card" when they simply stand up to have their voices heard in a system that rarely listens does not make me ecstatic.

Imagine how we republicans feel about that. You, at least have an opportunity to sh**tcan him.

Well, half of you Republicans seem more than content with it, which is why I have a lot of trouble understanding why a respectable person would want to identify with the party. I'm glad you're not one of the ones trying to deny the sexist overtones though, and I appreciate your Independent avatar.
92  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Are we all excited for the impending GE campaign? on: May 02, 2016, 05:04:01 pm
I thought all the Hillbots would be ecstatic!

Watching casual sexism championed as a political strategy and seeing women demonized for "playing the woman card" when they simply stand up to have their voices heard in a system that rarely listens does not make me ecstatic.
93  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Are we all excited for the impending GE campaign? on: May 02, 2016, 04:56:19 pm
I am beyond excited for Hillary's inauguration and presidency, but I am absolutely not excited for the election.

Basically, we have one of the most qualified candidates ever running for president. Someone with real political skills and policy chops. And instead, the next six months will be spent enduring an onslaught of misogynistic attacks that, like it or not, will bring out the worst in a lot of otherwise good people. It's already started to happen, and I'm angry and disappointed. I don't know how I'll make it to November, and I'm sure there will be a fair number of scares along the way where it will actually look like Trump could win.

Hopefully I'm wrong and she pulls aways from Trump easily in the polls, but... colour me skeptical.
94  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is the Republican party a racist party? on: May 02, 2016, 01:43:05 pm
No

Donald Trump is not a racist and 80% of his supporters aren't either. Trump is still awful though.
No, otherwise I wouldn't be a Republican.

Guys, I understand why you feel like you are Republicans. I also hate paying so much in taxes when much of it is being wasted on public employee unions and endless wars. I want to be able to keep at least some of my FICA taxes to invest in a way of my choosing. I think premium support should be introduced in Medicare and there should be greater cost sharing, especially for those who can afford it. I would be quite content if the Ryan budget was adopted.

That being said I understand I am not a Republican and wouldn't be accepted into the Republican party. I knew this before, but the 2016 election has made it crystal clear. Both of you are not going to be accepted by the Republican rank and file either. That doesn't make you Democrats but you guys just are not Republicans.

Might god you have moved to the right. I seem to recall you being not quite so conservative economically. Wink

Right, because leaving the party is surely going to make it change its views. Indeed, the departure of people from the party has only moved the Trump demographic to being a larger proporation of the party.

Leaving has been the answer for 40 years by moderates and yet people are shocked, shocked I tell you find that the Party has become more conservative and more hostile on the issues. You don't win a war by running away, you win it by standing and fighting back. Tongue

The thing is, some wars aren't worth fighting and some people aren't worth standing alongside.
95  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: Rassy - National: Trump +2 on: May 02, 2016, 12:21:08 pm
BS or not, it still scares me. I will probably be as much of an alarmist as Lief was back in 2012, which is embarrassing but probably warranted.
96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Hillary reach 55% in the upcoming general election against Trump? on: May 02, 2016, 12:06:52 pm
Yes, but with turnout so dismal the headline will be how she won the election with fewer popular votes than Romney received in 2012.

Clinton: 60 million
Trump: 42 million
Other: 7 million

Total: 109 million votes cast, down from 129 million in 2012.

Trump on the ballot is going to drive up turnout on both sides.

The only way I can see turnout being driven up is for independents to come out in droves to prevent Trump.

Donald Trump has already hit his ceiling: the cult that has come out to GOP primaries and overstocked his delegate portfolio thanks to generous allocation rules.  I can see - maybe - 45 million Trump votes in the general, but even that seems ridiculous.

Meanwhile, I don't see anyone getting too excited about Hillary.  Voters will see polls that show a foregone conclusion and stay home on Election Day.

I'm not so sure. I know the contexts are a little bit different, but the last Canadian federal election (and the last Ontario provincial election, for that matter) saw the anti-conservative party hugely over-perform their poll numbers because people were scared sh-tless of Conservative rule. Donald Trump is way more threatening than Stephen Harper or Tim Hudak.

I also like to believe that a lot of people are embarrassed to admit they support Hillary because she's been continuously painted as the "uncool" candidate. When it's her against Trump, folks will fall in line for Hillary. Plus, held up against a brash figure like the Donald, Hillary's few positives (they do exist) will, I hope, crystallize in stark contrast. I mean, she is capable of exuding real warmth in the right situations, and as long as she stays poised, looks like she's enjoying the process, and holds onto some of the lessons she's learned from the primaries, she should be fine. I've got rose-coloured glasses on for sure, but her Pennsylvania speech last week was one of the best speeches she's ever given (dare I say, if a man had given it he would have received lavish praise Wink ). Her interviews have been engaging and personable. She's got a lot of strengths, and she is constantly improving. I am optimistic she will be fine.

That said, I don't think I've ever been more worried about the results of an election, and I'm not even American. I've literally had nightmares about Trump, and I can't begin to explain the sinking feeling I get in the pit of my stomach when I contemplate the fact that Donald Trump could win. I pray enough Americans will be motivated by a similarly intense feeling.
97  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie vows to take it to "Contested Contest" at Convention on: May 02, 2016, 11:07:54 am
At some point this failure to accept reality is actually going to start hurting Bernie. Sure, he has Democrats who support him, but a lot of these people are Democrats first and will get pissed off if they start to see Bernie's presence hurt the obvious nominee. Especially in light of the general election match-up seeming to narrow with Trump in recent days. Trump is the scariest GOP nominee the party has almost ever put forward, and Democrats will want Hillary to be in a position of strength to deal with his misogyny and general BS.
98  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: For Republican and independent voters who lean right: Facing the Trump reality on: May 01, 2016, 07:31:30 pm
I'm in the "acceptance" phase, I guess. I mean, if we survived Goldwater, we can probably survive this.

The thing is, y'all still haven't even finished your "death by Bush" yet. This Trump thing is like a nail in the coffin.
99  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How bad of a procrastinator are you? on: May 01, 2016, 05:27:43 pm
Probably the worst. I got very good at handing in late assignments without penalty. Integrity is also not my strong suit, apparently. Tongue
100  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you ever post a picture of yourself on Atlas? on: April 30, 2016, 12:42:42 am
I don't see any reason to put a veil over my identity here. I can own who I've been on this forum in my real life just fine.
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