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76  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: If the last three posters were running for POTUS who would you vote for and why? on: January 25, 2017, 05:36:51 am
L.D. Smith

I would be utterly unable to bring myself to vote for the others. One is a troll and the other would institute a fire-and-brimstone theocracy.
77  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What nominee in the past 50 years is the previous poster most similar too on: January 25, 2017, 05:34:19 am
Barack Obama
78  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Dems: Would you rather have... on: January 24, 2017, 04:54:16 pm
Klobuchar, obviously. But women are judged more harshly than men whether people realize they're doing it or not; she just doesn't "feel" right.
79  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Your guess 4 who will be on the 2020 Dem Ticket (Not.. who do you want it to be) on: January 24, 2017, 04:52:12 pm
Old thread, but every so often I search my name to see where the gossip's at, and I'd like to chime in to agree with RINO Tom's analysis.

Hillary inspired a personal loyalty among people that is somewhat unique. Count me in as a huge supporter of what some would call "identity politics" and I'd call "equity," but the truth is, I don't think we were as animated by a set of issues as the BernBots were. We see in Hillary a unique kind of hero... one who's story is resilience and dedication in the face of unearned slander the likes of which no other politician has ever endured. Someone who is held to impossible standards, who has an unparalleled work ethic, a great personal story, commitment to the same core issues over decades...

I joke that I'll support Jill Stein if Bernie is nominated in 2020, but the truth is I'll probably fall in line no matter who the nominee is, if only because I know I'll just be so let down and uninspired by this person when I compare them to Sec. Clinton.

It's hard for others to get, but the diehard loyalists definitely know what I mean. Maybe you're not "supposed" to believe this in politics, but we're the ones who truly believed she did deserve it. I didn't really care so much what her message was, because I wasn't putting my faith in her brand or her promises or policies, so much as I simply wanted her to be president.
80  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Booker: 'I am not open to being president' on: January 23, 2017, 01:34:14 am
Donald Trump has proven that what you say in politics does not need to have any actual credibility behind it. Things can be true when you want them to be or false when you want them to be. The voters hear what they want to hear anyway.

In other words... this doesn't matter.
81  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Hillary Clinton decided to run again in 2020... on: January 23, 2017, 01:29:51 am
I think it's cute that people read into Sanders' primary performance as some measure of Clinton's supposedly overwhelming flaws. Sanders was never going to win. His 45% share of the vote represents a 10% deficit (large, in the language of elections) and is simply reflective of his failure to take the hint and drop out when it became clear he had no shot at the nomination. It may be hard to hear, but almost anyone else in his position would have seen the writing on the wall after the first Super Tuesday. Naturally, this means that almost anyone else would have ultimately earned far less than 45% of the vote, as they wouldn't have wasted their time fighting a losing battle to the end while simultaneously damaging the eventual nominee.

Bernie gets a pass because he's this cool and hip candidate, but... he lost. Recast any other nominating contest with only two "top-tier" candidates, both of whom see the race through 'til the end and have split advantages in the early states, and they all would have ended up with something like a 45-55 split (or closer).
82  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Hillary Clinton decided to run again in 2020... on: January 21, 2017, 04:42:31 pm
And just to clarify, she did not let us down. We let her down. Get that straight.
83  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Donald Trump wins reelection in 2020, how will you feel? on: January 16, 2017, 08:33:08 pm
Well, it'll be the BernBots' fault either way.
84  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Meryl Streep on: January 10, 2017, 02:18:50 am
Her criticisms of Donald Trump's rhetoric targeting minorities and immigrants, and his horrendous mocking of a disabled reporter, all of which deserve constant criticism, were applause worthy. However, for Meryl Streep, the epitome of Hollywood elitism and snobbishness, to come forth and proclaim "oh, woe is us" regarding the real (and not entirely undeserved) vilification of the Hollywood social scene is annoying. Yes, the entertainment industry is often laudably inclusive of minorities and immigrants (although there are still some real struggles with inequality), but it is not some endangered, underprivileged group. They fear whom, exactly? I'd wager their venom would be primarily directed at "rednecks" and "white trash" who "simply don't get us."

Hollywood is out of touch. They live a lifestyle that is incompatible with the social justice they often proclaim from their elegant pulpits. So no, I don't care what Meryl Streep had to say. I appreciate the performances that her and those in her industry do to express themselves and entertain us, but she can stop the "woe is us, the unimaginably rich and famous" shtick.

Um, the whole point of the speech was to remind the people in the room that although they are vilified, they occupy important and enormous pedestals of influence, from which they should continue to acknowledge their privilege, align themselves with those who are more vulnerable, and hold bullsh-t to account. No "woe is us," except to acknowledge that it's kind of sh-tty to be some of the only rich people in the country who actually align themselves with progressive causes, but then get shat on by the hicks and rubes who are more content to shoot themselves in the foot with Donald Trump.

Oh no, there goes Hagrid talking about hicks and rubes!

They'll learn their lesson yet.
85  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which sitting GOP governors and senators do you think voted for Clinton in November? on: January 09, 2017, 06:26:48 pm
McCain, Graham, Murkowski, Collins, Baker, Sandoval... hmm...
86  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democrats and Democrat voters of 2016, what would cause you to vote Trump? on: January 08, 2017, 12:37:14 pm
Absolutely nothing. He has made himself irredeemable.
87  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which Democrat would you want to be the nominee for president in 2020 on: January 08, 2017, 12:32:05 pm
Hillary Clinton, but I would support any Democrat except Bernie Sanders in the next cycle. If Bernie is the nominee, I will support Jill Stein or whatever other candidate the Green Party runs.
88  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Russia's influence on: January 07, 2017, 04:07:16 pm
1. The election was EXTREMELY CLOSE, regardless of the post-game descriptions we have all heard.
2. The Russians definitely did their best to sabotage Clinton's image.
3. Any slight increase in Clinton's support swings the election to her.
Therefore, I would say that the Russian influence DEFINITELY swung the election to Trump. Without it, we are now discussing the incoming Clinton administration.

Indeed, this needs to be the talk of every single Democrat who goes on TV for the next year+
89  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: As an indy candidate, who Romney would have chose as his running mate in 2016? on: January 07, 2017, 03:58:55 am
He would have picked a Latino/a.
90  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic legislators looking to keep Trump off 2020 ballots unless he releases taxes on: January 05, 2017, 11:11:53 pm
Raise Hell however possible. I support this move.
91  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why did Hillary Clinton swing towards an extreme pro-abortion position? on: January 05, 2017, 11:12:06 am
Sometimes what's right isn't what's popular. Hence her hesitancy to embrace Bernie Sanders' dishonest "free everything" platform (though he certainly pulled her to the edge).

Yeah, letting people die because they can't afford healthcare is definitely the right thing to do. How principled. Roll Eyes

Aw, that's a very pretty strawman you've built there, Antonio. <3

Sometimes what's right isn't what's popular. Hence her hesitancy to embrace Bernie Sanders' dishonest "free everything" platform (though he certainly pulled her to the edge).

Healthcare and college are not "everything."

Quite rich coming from you, considering you get free healthcare and very cheap college tuition in your country.

Dear, my health care isn't "free," nor would Bernie Sanders' be. That aside, I'm not complaining about single-payer in the abstract. In the abstract, the idea is grand. But no political issue exists in the abstract, and I do certainly believe it is dishonest and frankly unhelpful to suggest that single-payer would currently fly in the US.

This may sound ridiculous to those who have crafted the opposite narrative, but Hillary Clinton mostly ran on an honest platform outlining things that were at least within the realm of achievable. When she goes into the nuance of late-term abortions, it may not be popular to actually consider who would be getting these abortions (and why), but it's probably the right thing to do, and anyone who does would have to at least admit that there are legitimate reasons for why the option of getting a late-term abortion might be important to maintain. Few people do though, especially politicians, because the politics aren't good. Too bad. Hillary priced out her plans, considered what would be doable, and had the audacity to put forward an incremental but significant agenda. Sadly, while government runs on incrementalism, campaigns don't.
92  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Where have you flown this year? on: January 04, 2017, 09:53:39 pm
Damn, Nutmeg seems rich. Congrats.
93  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Herr Fuhrer's Coronation (January 20th) on: January 04, 2017, 09:48:47 pm
The Alt-right generally keeps such displays in their basements or at their political gatherings.

Is this not what his Inauguration will be?
94  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why did Hillary Clinton swing towards an extreme pro-abortion position? on: January 04, 2017, 09:16:30 pm
Sometimes what's right isn't what's popular. Hence her hesitancy to embrace Bernie Sanders' dishonest "free everything" platform (though he certainly pulled her to the edge).
95  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will repealing Obamacare be Trump's death wish? on: January 04, 2017, 09:03:24 pm
He's consistently said repeal and replace, so I think we'll be fine

Yes, because if there's one thing Donald Trump is, it's "consistent."

Roll Eyes
96  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you own guns? on: January 02, 2017, 02:28:19 pm
No. I am not a maniac.
97  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Death of Clintonism on: January 02, 2017, 02:15:15 pm
Hillary Clinton ran on the most progressive platform of basically any mainstream nominee ever, was one of the most liberal members of the senate during her tenure there, and has consistently stood up for those who have fallen through the cracks.

This idea that she's some kind of moderate is ridiculous. She and her husband decided in the 90s that the political reality of the day meant they could either get nothing accomplished or meager versions of what they wanted accomplished. They decided some action was better than none.

And now they're sellouts. Roll Eyes
98  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Has Anyone on Atlas Ever Dated Another Atlas Poster? on: January 01, 2017, 06:42:26 pm
I haven't, but I do have an interesting f-ck pact (if he actually remembers).
I never forgot Tongue

If I knew what you looked like I might not say no. Wink
99  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Your reaction if Hillary Clinton announced a bid for NY Governor on: January 01, 2017, 05:47:00 pm
She'd be the instant favorite, but I don't know how enthusiastic I'd be about her candidacy.  She let us down, after all.

Seems a lot more like the American people let her down, if you ask me.
100  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Study: Sanders 'America' ad made viewers happiest on: December 31, 2016, 02:43:25 pm
Roll Eyes
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