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76  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Last Minute VP Poll on: July 21, 2016, 07:47:36 pm
Fingers crossed for Elizabeth Warren.
77  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 21, 2016, 07:35:28 pm
I can see why Trump would have leaked the speech. It reads way better on paper than it will coming out of his big fat mouth. The resistant Bernie folks—internet lemmings—can now read his speech in 15 minutes rather than listen to Trump over the course of an hour. They'll like it because they'll have the chance to disassociate it from the actual Donald Trump.

I think it was a smart move to put it out there.
78  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 20, 2016, 09:09:29 pm
This is great. If the GOP does actually put up Cruz against Clinton in 2020, her re-election is in the bag too!
79  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of Chris Christie's convention speech on: July 20, 2016, 07:29:34 pm
I've never seen so many lies so densely log-jammed into one speech. Whatever honour the GOP once had is completely gone.
80  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Donald J. Trump is officially the GOP nominee for president. on: July 20, 2016, 05:34:17 pm
Also, there's no such thing as political correctness. It's called being respectful to people who are different. And sadly no one is actually forcing you to do that.

I mean, "political correctness" is why Western society no longer calls black people n-ggers or Jews k-kes... at least not in a mainstream way. Is this the type of negative development you're fighting against? What is so threatening about showing some humanity and being a decent person? I will never understand this.

TRUMP doesn't mean things like the n-word, he more talks about things like Radical Islamic terrorism, which Obama won't say.

I'm just telling you what you're railing against when you spout off about political correctness.
81  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 20, 2016, 05:17:28 pm
JCL continues to be a gigantic idiot, I see.
82  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you miss Mitt Romney, and would you vote for him vs Clinton? on: July 20, 2016, 03:09:14 pm
I do miss him, yeah. But with what the Republican Party has become even over just the last four years, I don't think I could support him. I'd likely flirt with the idea, but there've been too many changes in my life for me to support what the GOP currently stands for. And Hillary has always been my OG, so....
83  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Donald J. Trump is officially the GOP nominee for president. on: July 20, 2016, 02:29:53 pm
Also, there's no such thing as political correctness. It's called being respectful to people who are different. And sadly no one is actually forcing you to do that.

I mean, "political correctness" is why Western society no longer calls black people n-ggers or Jews k-kes... at least not in a mainstream way. Is this the type of negative development you're fighting against? What is so threatening about showing some humanity and being a decent person? I will never understand this.
84  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: In other news, the Pub platform still is anti gay, all the way on: July 20, 2016, 02:25:10 pm
At some point, many of these positions have got to be moral disqualifiers. The mental gymnastics will continue to get more and more complex for moderate Republicans until they realize it's just not worth it.

I would have thought the Muslim ban would do it, but I guess not.
85  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Donald J. Trump is officially the GOP nominee for president. on: July 20, 2016, 01:37:26 pm
ew
86  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 20, 2016, 12:39:33 pm
a GOP convention, and especially this one, is to unify the support for the nominee. The idea is to basically get at least everyone who voted Romney and/or McCain on board.   There have been two weak ares for them, real Christian conservatives (the Ted Cruz wing) and educated  semi-moderates (the Kasich/Romney wing). The idea being they have a lot of time to go beyond that to reach swing voters, especially with the debates.

However, are they really using the right tactics to unify Republicans and R-leaning voters? They seem to have decided that they can use Hillary hate to unify, but is focusing on the Fox News/Right Wing radio themes of Behghazi, Hillary for Jail, etc. really helping with their weak areas? It seems to me that it is mostly just throwing emotional red meat at the core demo of angry white working class voters that Trump already has in his back pocket.

And that it could indeed turn off the semi-educateds who are scared of the turns the Republican Party has taken. Visceral hatred can only appeal to so many people before it becomes scary.
87  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton VP news LATEST: WaPo:Kaine/Vilsack the frontrunners; NYT:announcement Saturday on: July 20, 2016, 11:40:47 am
I am cautiously optimistic that she'll make an exciting pick.

I mean, she must have "felt the magic" during her joint rally with Warren, because there's no way she could have felt it with Kaine. It was just so obvious what a bore the guy is, and for all her flaws, Hillary isn't stupid.

Plus, it seems to me that Trump has kind of made a tactical error. Pence was a super-boring pick, and his convention so far has been a dud. It'll appeal to the most hardcore of hardcore Republicans, but I have a hard time seeing how someone who is on the fence could turn on the TV, witness the tone of the RNC (blatant racism, factless lip-flapping, chants of "lock her up!" etc.) and feel more comfortable voting Trump.

A choice like Kaine or Vilsack is status quo. Maybe it keeps the race at Clinton +3 or so, but that's still an uncomfortably thin margin when the stakes are as high as they are. At this stage with Trump, I have a very hard time seeing how Warren would actually hurt Clinton, net-net... and with Warren there is a real opportunity to unleash some excitement for the campaign. What is more, I think Warren's energy helps make Hillary a better candidate herself. And when she feels like she's fighting to make history, it becomes personal for her and she begins to exude a kind of warmth that could improve her favourables. Plus, Hillary needs a more coherent message, and Warren helps crystallize one for the campaign (kind of like how Romney's Ryan pick was seen at the time to give the GOP ticket some ideological teeth).

Even so, my one fear with Trump is that his campaign and messaging are so thin that it is very easy for people to project whatever they want onto him. A core message of "greatness" is pretty flexible. CNN had a family of Trump supporters on Don Lemon's show last night (a black family, no less), and their message was thoughtful, precise, well-informed... except Trump has never really indicated his support for what this family was fighting for. They just, sort of... saw it in him. That's scary. Especially when it gives surrogates the chance to actually present an intelligent case for Trump.

All that to say, Hillary needs someone who actually makes her ideological case stronger as well as someone who is not afraid to go on the attack in a substantial way. She also needs to find a way to at least partially make her campaign transcend the political and become a movement. The only candidate who does all this for her is Warren. The party's demographic advantage makes it hard for Hillary to lose regardless, but it would be nice to give the Republicans a thumping so that things can actually get done. And long-term, the only way Hillary wins re-election is if she can actually point to progress.
88  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump offered to basically make Kasich president, Trump lead cheerleader on: July 20, 2016, 10:43:01 am
Lol. The attack ads keep writing themselves.
89  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How masculine/feminine do you rate yourself? on: July 20, 2016, 03:52:52 am
I said 2, but after reading the responses it seems like I probably should have said 3.

Although I pretty firmly reject the dichotomy and premise of "masculine/feminine."
90  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 19, 2016, 08:59:34 pm
Christie's speech was one of the most dishonest things I've ever heard.
91  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Melania Trump caught plagiarizing Michelle Obama's 2008 speech on: July 19, 2016, 10:52:48 am
My fear is that the media will overplay this and Trump's speakers will all pivot to attacking the media for their baseless attacks on innocent Melania. There's only so much spinning the pundits can do when most of the night is taken up by a block of uninterrupted speeches. If each of those speakers plays into the theme of how the media has assaulted a beautiful immigrant woman, this episode could play out quite interestingly. Which, of course, is ridiculous. But I wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing was a ploy to try and get Trump more sympathy with "the woman vote."
92  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Melania Trump caught plagiarizing Michelle Obama's 2008 speech on: July 19, 2016, 02:24:25 am
It's pretty bad if you look at it as a notch in the story of the Trump family's long-term attitude towards the Obamas.

Inspired by the president's race and eager to capitalize on the pent-up bigotry of the electorate, Donald Trump, in an attempt to delegitimize Barack Obama, stokes fears by demanding to see this exotic man's birth certificate.

Four years later, after disregarding and denying the humanity of the president, Donald Trump's wife appropriates the words of the black First Lady, who many in the GOP's base believe is un-American thanks in part to the colour of her skin.

93  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Melania Trump caught plagiarizing Michelle Obama's 2008 speech on: July 19, 2016, 12:40:03 am
Lol, the mental gymnastics an otherwise well-read or educated person has to jump through to support Trump's antics would be amusing if they weren't indicative of a scary trend towards anti-intellectualism.
94  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Melania Trump caught plagiarizing Michelle Obama's 2008 speech on: July 19, 2016, 12:03:04 am
Pretty awful that everyone is dancing around criticizing Melania directly.

Well, do we know if Melania actually wrote the speech?

She previously said she did. She should still be held to some kind of standard.
95  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Melania Trump caught plagiarizing Michelle Obama's 2008 speech on: July 18, 2016, 11:54:10 pm
Pretty awful that everyone is dancing around criticizing Melania directly. The bar has been set so unbelievably low for her that it's difficult to comprehend. I suppose we can attribute it to a generally unshakeable tendency to patronize immigrants and women who are "brave enough" to step into the arena where it's otherwise understood that they don't belong.

But yeah, this is pretty bad for team Trump. And not only because it's filthy and dishonest, either. The media will spend the next 18 hours replaying Melania Trump juxtaposed against Michelle Obama. That is not a comparison the Trump campaign would have wanted people to make.
96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 18, 2016, 10:34:13 pm
lol @ the teenagers in this thread who think they know more about criminal law than the fbi. don't let facts pierce your bubble and disarm your biases; that would be so terrible.

re. convention

this is literally a convention of hate: that ~40%< of voters will cast their ballot for trump is a sad sign of how far we have to go as a country
Are you sure that you are a Republican?

I know, right? To be a Republican in 2016 you have to be stupid and hapless.
97  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 18, 2016, 10:23:56 pm
This is actually disgusting. Appeals to the worst of humankind.

Yes, it is disgusting. However, we don't know what we'll see next week at the DNC. Will they attack police officers? We don't know. Both parties are crazy.

You would have to actually be an idiot to believe the Democrats and the Republicans are on the same level of crazy.
98  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 18, 2016, 10:05:27 pm
This is actually disgusting. Appeals to the worst of humankind.
99  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 18, 2016, 08:31:38 pm
I don't believe I've actually used this word yet during the 2016, but this is just fascism. Plain and simple.

It's scary. The crowd is scary. The words people are saying are scary.

All I've heard is basically a thin defense of why we should deliberately ignore the words of black people and, in fact, push back. What is this disgusting bullsh-t that America has become?
100  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Republican National Convention **live commentary thread** on: July 18, 2016, 07:23:49 pm
This entire day has been such a turnoff for any reasonably educated and decent Republican.  Can they try any harder to appeal to the uneducated, xenophobic southern hicks?!  Seriously why the heck is some duck dynasty bum on stage?  He needs to take a shower.

Here's a solution if you want to stop being embarrassed (justifiably so):



If people like me leave the party, that just gives them even more power.

The party has already left you, friend. What we are seeing this week is the Republican Party. Its biggest factions are now Trumpites and Cruzians—if you're okay with that reality, stay. But moderates aren't going anywhere among the GOP's ranks. Not anymore.
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