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76  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How would Pence have done against Hillary? on: December 27, 2016, 03:29:38 pm
Donald Trump was the strongest GOP candidate and still lost the national popular vote.
77  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Duck Dynasty viewerships strongly correlates with votes for Donald Trump on: December 27, 2016, 03:25:36 pm
I like this part:

If you had to guess how strongly a place supported Donald J. Trump in the election, would you rather know how popular 'Duck Dynasty' is there, or how George W. Bush did there in 2000? It turns out the relationship with the TV show is stronger.

As I have said, conservativism is not about policy or a coherent ideology—it is almost entirely cultural.
78  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Local leaders of Team Bernie: We begged & Team Hill Ignored Us in Swing States on: December 23, 2016, 10:34:11 am
Bernie's people also thought he could win the nomination by locking up New York, Pennsylvania, and California, which prompted him to stay in the race long past the point at which he had basically already lost.

So forgive me for not putting special faith in "local leaders of Team Bernie."
79  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Romney had ran again in 2016, could he have beaten Trump? on: December 23, 2016, 10:24:43 am
Trump was a very strong candidate and totally tapped into the psyches of the Republican base. Romney would have had more of a shot then any of the other establishment candidates, but I think Trump was favoured from the start and no one really realized.
80  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who were dumber this cycle? on: December 22, 2016, 11:22:23 pm
Well, obviously the Republicans. They eventually embraced Donald Trump. Ain't anything dumber than supporting that f-ckwad.
81  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Best ticket to beat Trump if he isn't toxic on: December 21, 2016, 11:20:44 pm
Biden/Klobuchar.
82  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump's face in 2020? on: December 17, 2016, 12:50:13 am
Trump doesn't care enough to worry. Whatever aging he does will be no different than any other man his age.
83  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Beet's switching allegiances from D to R? on: December 13, 2016, 03:37:38 am
Incredibly stupid. The best way to get back at the BernieBro Marxist millenials who will distroy the party and cast all forms of discrimination as meaningless "superstructure" is to support Jill Stein.

I might just do that if I'm feeling particularly vengeful in 2020.

On the flip side, I'm not actually an idiot and could never bring myself to cast my proverbial vote in such a meaningless direction. But I'll continue to sow discord regardless. You can try and take away identity politics, and to some degree you might succeed, but I'll be clenching on for dear life, kicking and screaming, as you pull it away. Everyone who's not a straight white male should be doing the same, because we've got a lot to lose.
84  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Concession regarding Trump on: December 13, 2016, 12:00:29 am
     I appreciate the topic post. There are too many people who are completely unwilling to accept Trump trying to do anything, and it is completely irrational. Criticize him when he does something bad and praise him when he does something good.

The way he spins his own fictions into truths and denounces real facts is Orwellian. No amount of positive accomplishments can dig the country out of what he has done, is doing, and will continue to do to the American psyche. His successor might not even be able to fix it. It's scary and should not be legitimized if he manages to add a few jobs with highly unsustainable tax rates.
85  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: New PPP post-election poll: various questions on: December 10, 2016, 02:09:51 pm
Unfortunately we're no longer allowed to call these people idiots. They're just poor, frustrated victims. Cry
This kind of attitude is why the Democrats lost.

Wow, I've never heard this before! Roll Eyes

Actually, I have. And I couldn't give less of a f-ck. At some point we need to stop accommodating and coddling ignorance and bigotry. Apparently the Democratic Party is no longer a vessel for that. Maybe l'll lend my support to Jill Stein next cycle, where I can take a stand, make a difference, and send the Democratic party a clear message. What's the worst that could happen? Roll Eyes
86  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: During the course of this election, how have your political views changed? on: December 10, 2016, 02:04:32 pm
I am now in favor of having to pass a civics exam to be able to vote.

The Democratic Party, deserves to lose with this logic.

And what of the logic that deifies Fidel Castro? Roll Eyes
87  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: New PPP post-election poll: various questions on: December 10, 2016, 02:00:48 pm
Unfortunately we're no longer allowed to call these people idiots. They're just poor, frustrated victims. Cry
88  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton is not a good candidate (based on ability to win) on: December 10, 2016, 01:59:01 pm
I don't really give a f-ck. If you complacent sh-tstains can't even agree in the privacy of a relatively anonymous online forum that it was idiotic to support Donald Trump, good luck with whatever opposition you plan on being a part of over the next four years. Roll Eyes
89  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If the Michigan recount went on, would Clinton have flipped it? on: December 09, 2016, 02:22:55 pm
Of course. The results of the whole election are in doubt.
90  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is dead0man so anti-Trump haters now? on: December 08, 2016, 07:27:54 pm
Privilege.

Next.
91  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton is not a good candidate (based on ability to win) on: December 08, 2016, 07:24:49 pm
Where does idiocy come from, I wonder?

Er.......

Indeed, as we now have our answer: the Rust Belt.
92  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Anyone know what happened in DC? on: December 08, 2016, 02:41:03 pm
Smart people don't cast dumb votes.
93  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: During the course of this election, how have your political views changed? on: December 07, 2016, 01:20:28 pm
They have become more liberal on social issues and more conservative on fiscal issues.  I used to be more for a populist message on the economy... lift everyone up type of thing.  Now as a natural reaction to the ilk that Trump has brought out I have a much more hard line stance on fiscal issues.  Cut taxes, cut social programs, support as much free trade as possible, stop sending money directly from the two coasts to support social programs in the Midwest and South (we pay way more in taxes than we get back). Basically, I want a sink or swim economy.  But I want it to be "fair" on social policies, which means there shouldn't be racial discrimination, gays should have equal treatment, and we shouldn't waste a ton of money on dumb wars.  So on balance, I still support democrats.

 you, buddy.

That being said, I see the appeal of cutting off all of the support that flows from the coasts to the heartland, if only to show these folks how much they rely on the elites that they decry so much. If some temporary tough love is what it takes to show them that they should be voting for Democrats, well... so be it.

 you, buddy.

This experiment would be funny.

 you, buddy.

you, buddy.

...

Those two words are not as clever as you think.
it's the profanity filter lol

Yeah, the f-word is before each 'you'. I'm pretty sure the posters in question have enough experience with the profanity filter to be able to tell.

There are enough ways to say f**k without setting off the filter that it never occured to me that someone who knew of its existence would type the four letters knowing they would get erased and creating the bland " you, buddy." instead of the more impactful "F**k you, buddy".

I wanted the cheap satisfaction of typing the word and hitting 'post' without spending time editing.

You really think it's good that the country has legions and legions of economically struggling people who think the root cause of their problems is immigrants and big government, so vote for candidates  who would literally take away the only support they're actually getting? How do you propose these people be swayed to vote in their own interest? The evidence, logic, and facts that we would want to use would be seen as untrustworthy elitist hogwash. The only language they know is "feeling" like something is true. It makes things incredibly difficult.

That could be applied to the folks you say are "Othered", and not without merit, either.  Folks who haven't yet discovered that Feelings aren't Facts.

That's fair. I am a bit less concerned about these people though because at least they're not supporting anti-fact candidates. They don't typically believe that knowledge is a mark of elitism.
94  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Do you have any regrets? on: December 06, 2016, 07:24:23 pm
I wish I let myself see how the close the race really was. There was a certain complacency that got built in at the end. We set ourselves up for the letdown of a lifetime...the information was there, but most of us didn't want to believe it. Those democrats who sounded the alarm (andrea beaumont and Hagrid for starters) were laughed off, but in the end, they were right. My apologies.

Do I regret supporting, voting for, and volunteering for HRC? Pfft, yeah right...Enjoy our ignorant, unqualified, white supremacist president, America. You did it to yourself.



I appreciate you giving me credit for being a worrywart, but my worrying wasn't based on any special insight I had. I never put two and two together that the working-class white vote in the Rust Belt would totally collapse. I just saw in the polls that there was reason to take caution. And... I never felt in my heart that she'd actually lose. Though the Comey surprise definitely scared me.
95  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Do you have any regrets? on: December 06, 2016, 02:49:47 pm
I regret that I and others were too scared to vociferously defend Hillary in public during the primaries. We let the brogressives intimidate us, which fed into a false narrative that Hillary had no enthusiasm. If the enthusiasm was more "out there," a feminist movement could have grown.
96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: During the course of this election, how have your political views changed? on: December 06, 2016, 02:44:23 pm
The difference is, they would essentially be liquidating themselves through their own stupidity. I'm not necessarily saying I support this. Just that they'd get what they unknowingly asked for and maybe learn something. I see the appeal of that part of the situation even though I would not actually support deliberately making their lives close to unliveable.
97  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: President Donald Trump vs Hillary Clinton on: December 06, 2016, 02:36:46 pm
"Shove Clinton?"

I know it's in vogue to forget, but it took immense political skill and years of hard work proving herself to clear the field in '16. And after achieving that, she managed to win millions and millions of votes more  than her closest opponent in the primary. She was chosen by the party. She was the people's choice at literally every juncture this year. Anyone could have challenged her and competed to amass more votes in the primary. Few did, and the ones that did failed to defeat her. She won. Period.
98  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: During the course of this election, how have your political views changed? on: December 05, 2016, 11:00:53 pm
Literally zero people switched from Obama to Trump because of immigration and big government. Nice try, though.

If Trump fails us and caves to that heartless coward sociopath Paul Ryan, just see how swiftly we abandon him too.

"Literally zero."

Okay, pal. Okay. Roll Eyes

Trump gave them scapegoats and bogeymen that distracted voters from the truth. Maybe they'll get a better understanding of reality when they lose their health insurance.
99  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Another massively stupid aspect of the Clinton campaign... on: December 05, 2016, 10:57:24 pm
How delusional can people be?

"It is okay to vote for a bigot"  -  Voting against bigotry is the privilege of the rich. The poor vote to earn decent wages & have a decent life


"Progressives assumed that Swing state rust belt voters cared more about social issues" - No they didn't. People have to incredibly stupid to even believe that. Any default Dem candidate by default is strong on social issues, you don't need Clinton for that. People cared about the economy in every major poll that was available

"Voters didn't give a sh** about gay rights" - Some of them do, but they care more about their lives than gay rights. And if they cared about gay rights they would have voted en mass for Sanders over Clinton in a landslide victory.

"We were naive etc" - Not everyone of us. You guys were delusional, we were shouting after every debate & rally that Clinton should talk about infra n minimum wage etc. It is a matter of shame that Trump outflanked Clinton in Trade & talked about infra spending etc much more (core Dem point)

It is weird how much blame is placed on a rust belt voter for voting for Trump when there is no question mark on how pathetic of a candidate Clinton was.

I mean you're argument for winning is Gay Rights? Seriously??

These kind of posts are self-explanatory why Clinton lost - She literally had no positive economic message at a time the economy was the most important topic in almost every single poll !


Looking past your assholery, you are basically agreeing with me. I'm not saying the argument is "gay rights." I invoked gay rights because it was one clear example of the country moving forward. We assumed the the move forward represented an overall rejection of the GOP message and that the new majority rested with the Democrats... and that it would be very hard to "stop the train." I am saying as clearly as I can that WE WERE WRONG, so I'm not sure why people like you are getting so f-cking defensive.

Also, the quotes you are using are not even direct quotes from my posts. Not sure what that's about.
100  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Another massively stupid aspect of the Clinton campaign... on: December 05, 2016, 10:50:22 pm
Re-read my post and try again. I disparage the white working-class often, but I did not do so here. Unless you think it's disparaging to point out that they ultimately decided it was okay to vote for a bigot, even though they cast their ballots for reasons unrelated to their own degree of bigotry.

I voted for an authoritarian elitist with a laughably hawkish foreign policy even though I am none of those things.

Would you hold me responsible for American casualties in a hypothetical Syrian war in the Clinton administration?

When you vote for a candidate, you enable that candidate's agenda because your vote is what helps put them in power. Is this news to you?

The difference is, it's hard to see how things like sexual assault, denying apartments to black people, and playing coy with the KKK could have any reasonable defense. On the other hand, there is plenty room for reasonable justifications in the hypothetical situation of an unfortunate war with Syria.
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