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76  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Pew poll shows Biden lost the debate on: October 16, 2012, 10:37:43 pm
No one cares who won the VP debate.
Nobody votes for President because of who the Vice President is.
Nobody votes for President because of who the Vice President is.
Tell that to the people who specifically voted against Sarah Palin and the septuagenarian with remissive cancer that she shared a ticket with.

Exactly, people don't vote FOR the VP (especially based on the debate), but they will vote against them.  Which is why Biden did so much damage and clearly lost the debate. 
77  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the debate? on: October 16, 2012, 10:28:06 pm
Thanks to Libya, an Obama landslide.

If the Libya exchange hadn't happened, it would have been a pretty solid Obama win. Not a blowout though.

What?Huh?  Obama is getting crushed on Libya and his ridiculous lie tonight is going to keep the issue in the spotlight.  Romney missed a kill shot because he was a little stunned by the lie and Crawly jumped in to save Barrack, but Obama will lose huge on that exchange.  

I listened to the first half in the car, so I don't have a visual feel.  Romney dominated on substance, Obama did a little better than last time, but still has no answer on the most important issues.  Dems will claim victory Romney will increase his gains in the polls.  Obama failed to defend himself or give a reason to reelect him.  
78  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Predict your home county on: October 16, 2012, 02:44:50 pm
Washington County, WI
Romney: 70
Obama : 29

Waukesha County, WI
Romney: 68
Obama : 31

That's probably the floor for Romney, he may well do 5 points better in each. 
79  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Obama could become the first completely minority president on: October 16, 2012, 02:32:37 pm
He also would have the least number or least diverse combination of 'American Nations' in the Modern Era.


Dems look to win Yankeedom and (Yankeedom's off spring) the Left coast.  1 state of El Norte (New Mexico).   So, That's 1of9 nations or 2of10 depending on how you look at it. 
80  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: paul ryan lost the debate on: October 16, 2012, 02:21:47 pm
Biden's debate performance may have slow down the  Romney momentum. I noticed Romney's leads have disappeared.
LOL!!!!!  LOL!!!!  LOL!!!! LOL!!!! LOL!!! LOL!!!
81  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney best path through Obama firewall? on: October 16, 2012, 02:15:19 pm
Each requires a different strategy to win, Romney will probably win 2 of 3, if he only wins 1 of 3 it's probably Ohio. 
82  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: paul ryan lost the debate on: October 14, 2012, 11:29:30 pm
Looks like Biden's angry, aggressive, disrespectful buffoon act didn't play well with nonpartisans:

More polling data the Romney Ryan ticket was the real winner in the VP Debate.
Survey USA results:
 Tampa/St. Pete… Ryan wins debate 42-38
       Change vote? yes: 73% to Romney 27% to Obama!

In New York area, Biden wins debate 54-30
       But vote switchers still went 54%-38% in favor of Romney…

CA Biden wins debate  48% to 41%
but vote switchers favor Romney  59% to 40%
http://www.surveyusa.com/

doubt we will see any more of the lefties claiming Biden won after this.   
83  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: paul ryan lost the debate on: October 13, 2012, 02:23:43 am
It is ridiculous how Ryan is soooo concerned over the national debt these days when he voted for the Iraq War which was financed off-budget, both rounds of Bush tax cuts and a Medicare Part D drug benefit which the Bush Administration lied about the true costs of.  We HAD a surplus when Clinton left office in 2000.  And what did we have when Bush left office after 2008?

It was lovely to see Biden point that out that Ryan criticizes Obama's stimulus plan when he himself sought funding from that stimulus for his district because "it will create growth and jobs." (Ryan's words).  I suppose this behavior should not be surprising from someone whose convention speech was filled with lies.


You know this reminds me...

I find it extremely annoying when the post debate commentary shifts from 'lets discuss what happened in the debate' with 'lets continue the debate on this program/thread/newspaper/etc.' All of the networks do it.

Look I'm okay with "so and so should have said blah or shouldn't have said blah' because its still about the debate performance, but starting up right where the 2 just left off is absolutely annoying.

Does that bother anybody on here as well? I figured others on here hate that as well because after a debate I don't want to hear more talking pts(that I've already heard) I want to hear exclusively analysis about how the debate affected the race and what ways and what transpired, etc.

It's easy to see why you'd rather not discuss Paul Ryan's voting record, given how it contradicts his current rhetoric.  His explanation is that he was "miserable during the last [GOP] majority."  rotfl, cry me a river.  The Right tries to present him as some principled fiscal conservative.  Where was the courage of his convictions back then?  Can you tell us?

Ryan looked like a charlatan in that debate trying to defend a no specifics, faith-based tax policy.  Especially when he said he wanted to have a "big bipartisan agreement" and "we want to work with Congress on how best to achieve this."  When, exactly, has Paul Ryan been this big bipartisan deal maker in Congress?  Was it his budget which ignored the Supercommittee's mandated cuts to defense spending and pushed all the cuts onto the discretionary side?  How bipartisan.

dude, Biden lost, get over it.  Than you think you can make a wonk like Ryan wrong about stuff he's right about, than you pick a fight with wonkish.  What are you trying to prove?
84  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Remember how excited Republicans were for this debate when Romney picked Ryan? on: October 12, 2012, 01:29:16 pm
Yes the parody of a really smart, really good looking guy who is serious and presidential vs a buffoonish clown is technically "both".   

Biden is far better looking than the little nerd, AN.  Anyone with taste can see that.

ummm, no. 

85  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 12, 2012, 01:22:12 pm

Ryan wins : women, independents, young people

Why on earth would Ryan win women or young people?  Certainly nearly all young people vote Democrat or don't vote anyway, n'est-ce pas?

Women liked Ryan a ton (the looks help) and they hated Biden (weird ass impression).  Ryan also wins the coolness factor with youngs.  Rs aren't going to win youngs, but they're gaining a lot of ground (net) that Obama can't afford to lose. 
86  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Remember how excited Republicans were for this debate when Romney picked Ryan? on: October 12, 2012, 01:17:54 pm
Remember how the genius, forward-thinking Ryan was going to waltz into the VP debate and clobber that bumbling old fool, Joe Biden, with his big ideas and his brilliant explanatory skills and youthful demeanor? Conservatives were so excited about that inevitable victory in August. And now they're whining that Joe Biden smiled too much.

And?

Ryan delivered.  Ole Joe will probably be parodied on SNL.

You do realize that both will be parodied on SNL, right?
Yes the parody of a really smart, really good looking guy who is serious and presidential vs a buffoonish clown is technically "both".   
87  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Remember how excited Republicans were for this debate when Romney picked Ryan? on: October 12, 2012, 01:05:15 pm
When the definitive image of the debate is Biden appearing to share many qualities with a famous homicidal maniac, than you can't claim victory and demand everyone concede. 

Which homicidal maniac would that be?
I was thinking heath ledger's joker, but now I might be leaning toward Jack Nicholson's because of the age thing...  I'm deciding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImFp-eayGp8
88  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Remember how excited Republicans were for this debate when Romney picked Ryan? on: October 12, 2012, 11:58:50 am
When the definitive image of the debate is Biden appearing to share many qualities with a famous homicidal maniac, than you can't claim victory and demand everyone concede. 

Biden made serious errors on substance and Ryan didn't, I can't over look that either. 
89  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Biden laughing at the issues on: October 12, 2012, 11:48:43 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly1al4K3u2M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCtemaHgjyA

90  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Remember how excited Republicans were for this debate when Romney picked Ryan? on: October 12, 2012, 11:05:07 am
Remember how the genius, forward-thinking Ryan was going to waltz into the VP debate and clobber that bumbling old fool, Joe Biden, with his big ideas and his brilliant explanatory skills and youthful demeanor? Conservatives were so excited about that inevitable victory in August. And now they're whining that Joe Biden smiled too much.

And?

Ryan delivered.  Ole Joe will probably be parodied on SNL.

Biden alienated key constituencies and made several gaffs that will negatively effect the news cycle. 

Ryan did nothing wrong.  Ryan choice still looks brilliant.   
91  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 12, 2012, 10:59:33 am
Biden wins: democrats, some men who don't care about the debate. 
Ryan wins : women, independents, young people

...clearly a Biden win, LOL. 
92  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 12, 2012, 08:47:14 am
Biden's performance did nothing outside of rile his base.  That was his goal, I guess, but the Democratic base alone is not going to win Obama his reelection.

I know everyone says undecided voters are idiots, blah blah blah...well those are the voters who will decide this election, and the simple fact is that Biden looked bad.  Ryan *literally* could not answer a single question without Biden talking all over him.  Whatever substance was in Biden's arguments was lost by his constant interruptions, mocking laughs, and facial expressions.

You can call undecideds idiots all you want, but they are the ones who are going to elect--or not--your candidate.  Going after your base is one thing; to go after your base at the expense of the undecideds is just plain stupid, and I think that's what happened with the way Biden handled himself.  How hard is it to give your opponent a chance to answer a question and simply attack his answer after he's made it, rather than interrupt him every single time he opens his mouth?  Even if what Ryan said was not factual, let him dig his own grave with his lies, don't dig yourself one too!
yes, yes, and yes, but Biden made dems feel better about themselves so Biden won.  
93  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: paul ryan lost the debate on: October 12, 2012, 08:39:46 am
Left leaning pundits agree Biden won, what a surprise.
I thought Biden was arrogant, bullying, and obnoxious, and as one focus group participant said, a buffoon.  Ryan was the better candidate.  Apparently most people agree:

Final CNN poll who won? Ryan 49 Biden 43
NBC poll who won? Ryan 56 to Biden 36
AP poll who won? Ryan 51 to Biden 43
Time will erode whatever points Biden's "performance" scored.  Still shots and video of Old, crazy, senile, rude, untrustworthy, hackish politician, unserious, and dangerous mad man doesn't exactly play well with the American people (maybe with democrats).       
94  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 12, 2012, 08:31:52 am
Its amazing to me how many people see what they want to see, and can somehow say Biden won?

I thought Biden was arrogant, bullying, and obnoxious, and as one focus group participant said, a buffoon.  Ryan was the better candidate.  Outside of the CBS poll three polls show Ryan won:

Final CNN poll who won? Ryan 49 Biden 43
NBC poll who won? Ryan 56 to Biden 36
AP poll who won? Ryan 51 to Biden 43

I'm watching the morning shows:

MSNBC:  Biden, to joky, not presidential.

CNN:  Libya

FOX:  Libya

It wasn't a bad debate.  

I'd give it to Ryan on points (largely for style), but not by much, and both candidates had a B+.

It's pretty clear Ryan's performance gets better with time (like I said it would) and Biden's gets worse with time.  If you understand boxing, Biden was wildly throwing a million punches not landing any and Ryan just threw a few straight jabs that landed on the jaw.  
Also, the truth always comes out (eventualy) and Biden's lies are particularly bad because they will keep the Libya thing in the news and perhaps highlight how incompetent the dems are about taxes and revenue (the economy, jobs and debt).      

So Biden lost on 1)Foreign policy and 2) The economy and taxes...  Those aren't big issues. 
95  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 11, 2012, 11:02:08 pm
My democratic family members said they thought Biden looked like a "prick" because of his smugness.

His laughing and grinning was childish. Of course, VP debates don't matter. Ask Vice President Quayle.

I'm tired of you citing your "democratic" family members as if their opinion is supposed to fing mean something. Its like when Romney strategically arranges black people and Hispanics to be seen on camera right behind him during rallies.

When you type "stuff" like that, do you have some crazy Biden look on your face? 
96  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 11, 2012, 10:52:04 pm
Biden absolutely destroyed Ryan though I don't think veep debates matter all that much. And the Republican denials provides an interesting contrast with the 1st debate, where most Dems conceded Obama did not do well. It tells you a lot about the difference between Republicans and Democrats.
polling, focus groups, social media, and common sense points to a Biden loss, although it wasn't as bad as Obama's because Joe is a fighter, a really weird clownish buffoon fighter, but a fighter.  He gets some points for that.    
97  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 11, 2012, 10:47:40 pm
They both had jobs to do... Biden needed to fire up the base and Ryan needed to secure those who shifted after the last debate.
Probably true, Partisan Dems feel better about themselves and Indies and women continue their march away from dems and to Romney/Ryan.  Not sure how thats a Biden "win" but OK.
98  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The RogueBeaver Institute for Paul Ryan: Where does Ryan 2016 stand now? on: October 11, 2012, 10:41:49 pm
He's the frontrunner because he's the "next guy in line" and he's the intellectual leader of the party.  All he would have to do is jump ahead in fundraising, which wouldn't be very hard because of the first point.  He's pretty likely to win the party nomination at some point given how young he is. 
99  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who would you support in 2016 primary (Democrats) on: October 11, 2012, 10:38:30 pm
Whoever made that map is a moron who has no knowledge of American history or political demographics. Including Minnesota and Wisconsin, two states that have been colored nearly exclusively by their Scandinavian and German heritage, in "Yankeedom" is a real travesty. I could go on and on about how stupid that map is but I'll stop here. It has no relevance to any serious political discussion. 
Scandinavians replicate modern 'Yankee' tendencies pretty consistently, however some/most Germans align more with the midlands.   
100  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 11, 2012, 10:25:02 pm
Anyone who thinks Ryan won is a hack, just like anyone who thinks Obama won the last debate is a hack.  


I'm watching twitter and Facebook and the comments are overwhelmingly about how bad Biden was.
 Plus Biden was wrong on a number of things, some of which might be pretty damaging the next few days.  

Funny, my twitter feed is the exact opposite. Maybe because you're mostly following conservatives?


It's a pretty good mix actually, my college friends are/were lefties and my local/old friends tend to be right of center.  

It's funny watching arguments.  Which is were the Biden clown show is dominating conversation.    
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