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76  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Are Republicans seriously claiming Romney was right on Obama's Libya comment on: October 17, 2012, 11:55:02 pm
I figure by noon tomorrow Candy will have to walkback her walkback of her walkback.
It's a weird position, by all professional standards she should be fired, but here peers aren't exactly beyond hackery.  So she probably both wants to apologize and claim she did the right thing.   
77  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Are Republicans seriously claiming Romney was right on Obama's Libya comment on: October 17, 2012, 11:49:25 pm
Yes, it's called the plane of 'Reality'.

I'll repost my previous statement.

Let's look at that section of the transcript, shall we. 

"Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourn with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those, both civilian and military, who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for."
 

Used Fox so no one can accuse me of only using liberal sources or something.  Also, the link was on hand cause a Facebook friend had it, but let's get into it.   

In the transcript, Obama clearly refers to the attack in Benghazi in the same paragraph as 9/11.  He talks about 9/11 and says "AND THEN last night we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi."  He tied 9/11 back to Benghazi in the very text of the transcript.  The "acts of terror" line applies to the attack on Benghazi just as much as 9/11.

Are you really going to try and argue that line only refers to 9/11 when he brought Benghazi up in the same paragraph in a clear comparison to 9/11 and doesn't switch the topic back to 9/11 before referring to "acts of terror?" 

Is referencing the text of the transcript to show Obama DID refer to the Benghazi attack as an "act of terror" a good enough dose of reality for you?

If Obama called the Benghazi attack an “act of terror” in his Rose Garden speech, then he also said the victims of that attack were buried in the “hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery” and that he had visited them at Walter Reed — other comments in that speech not specifically referring to the Benghazi attack.


You are guilty of wishful thinking shadow.  My guess is you want Obama to have been right (even though it really doesn't explain why he than flipped to being wrong again for 14 days) so you are willing to believe this unbelievable lie he told yesterday.   
78  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney Pathways to Victory - Best strategy? (Romney supporters only please!) on: October 17, 2012, 11:29:37 pm
If Romney is going to win Colorado, than Ohio and Wisconsin are where you go.  That gets you there.  VA and NH are the 'back up Ohio' -- 17(combined) and 18 EVs respectively.  Iowa and NV would be icing, but probably aren't the deciders this year.  Wisconsin is key, it would make things simple for Mitt.  Iowa only works with Ohio and another state, which is a complicated thread of the needle, so Iowa and NH are the 'back up wisconsin' that requires Ohio.  Let the Mitzkrieg of ads begin.      


Most of this fits with Obama’s New Firewall: Ohio, Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada
http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/330793/obamas-new-firewall-ohio-iowa-new-hampshire-and-nevada

Is Team Obama blind to dead heat Wisconsin? 
79  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: The Debate Bounce on: October 17, 2012, 11:12:28 pm

He's going to get a negative bounce from winning a debate? You people are shameless, aren't you?

You dems really don't know anything.  The president came in behind, lost on the substance of every important issue, failed to outline a vision or a reason to reelect him, failed to rebut the challengers case that he is a failed president with no plan(specifically on the economy, the #1 issue), committed a major gaff with the Libya thing (Again).  He may have won on points(by being overly aggressive and annoying people), but Romney will win votes and Obama will lose votes, which is kinda the point.   

Exactly what would he have to say that would count as a "vision for a second term" to you?  

You can parse the word "vision" a couple different ways.  Clearly Obama has no PLAN and no reason for a second term, but even his objectives of "more teachers" and "moving forward"  are so weak that I can't say that meets the threshold of "vision".  Bush campaigned for reelection on transforming social security into a permanently solvent system and fostering conditions for pro-american democracy to spread throughout the middle east.  Like those positions or not, they are no doubt 'visionary'.  Obama wants to raise taxes and implement his unpopular healthcare reform. Two things already poised to happen if nothing is done.  Maybe he should "pass a budget" a completely new concept I heard about once.  He just doesn't approach the threshold. 

Krauthammer outlines this in reaction to the acceptance speech. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmZh6mV6M08         

80  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: The Debate Bounce on: October 17, 2012, 04:43:04 pm

He's going to get a negative bounce from winning a debate? You people are shameless, aren't you?

You dems really don't know anything.  The president came in behind, lost on the substance of every important issue, failed to outline a vision or a reason to reelect him, failed to rebut the challengers case that he is a failed president with no plan(specifically on the economy, the #1 issue), committed a major gaff with the Libya thing (Again).  He may have won on points(by being overly aggressive and annoying people), but Romney will win votes and Obama will lose votes, which is kinda the point.   
81  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Can Mitt Romney recover? on: October 17, 2012, 04:21:13 pm
Guys, Romney better keep gaining, because he hasn't gained enough yet - Obama's still at a 277 victory:

OH, WI, IA, NV are basically within a point.  Romney's campaign is basically just starting in WI and (I believe NV).  The traction Romney has finally picked up in OH points to him probably winning there.  I can see VA possibly holding close as an Obama firewall.  So Romney is probably at 266 with 25 in play.  Boy, we go through all this and we will probably just end up with a Bush map (maybe flipping 1 or 2 states).  Although it wouldn't be surprising for Mitt to win those 25 in play (if he wins by 4 nationally), giving him 301.       



No, no.  There hasn't been nearly enough traction in Ohio to put it as going for Romney in your map, that's just wishful thinking.. and he's down 2-3 points in all of the rest: Iowa, Wisconsin, or Nevada.  The swing states where he seems to be winning (only by a point or two outside of North Carolina) Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, New Hampshire, and Colorado - just don't get him there.

Here's the real state of the race:



And here's how it goes if we include the slight leans:



A 277 Obama win.   

Romney is up to 51% in one of the trackers.  Obama isn't sitting on 277 trailing by 6 to a guy above 50.
82  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Can Mitt Romney recover? on: October 17, 2012, 12:03:30 pm
Obama/Biden is sitting on A devastating loss and two Pyrrhic "victories", so the question is:  Can Obama recover? 
83  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Is it possible to be "cool" and support Mitt Romney? on: October 17, 2012, 12:00:39 pm
In Canada, you are assumed to love Barack Obama, and if you don't, you're nuts.

That's the entire rest of the world, not just Canada.  And it wouldn't necessarily be Barack Obama, but rather any Democratic presidential nominee.

The US is certainly a strange and unique place.

exceptional. 
84  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Are Republicans seriously claiming Romney was right on Obama's Libya comment on: October 17, 2012, 11:56:27 am
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In a completely non-political sense, it is just fascinating to me how Republicans live in a completely different reality than everyone else.

Yes, it's called the plane of 'Reality'.


"you can't win but there are alternatives to fighting"

It's like dems all know this deep down and will never (overwhelmingly) engage in logic or facts or reality.  They are always reaching for an alternative to truth.   
85  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Is it possible to be "cool" and support Mitt Romney? on: October 17, 2012, 11:11:46 am
It's hard to like someone who's super serious about supporting BO because typically they have no logical basis to do so.

Unless they're not rich.
 
I'm not sure what your point is.  "Only rich people are Republicans?"  
Dems are the party of the super rich and powerful and they try to "buy" the cheapest/easiest votes they can in order to keep/use power to preserve/improve their power structure.  
That being the case, I can't make out your point.    

The point is obvious - it is rational for the non-rich to vote Democratic (or socialist if only they had that option).  It is only logical for the rich to vote Republican.
Only if you define the middle class as "the rich".  The entrenched super rich class owns the democrats.   They try to build a winning coalition as cheap and 'radical' as they can because you can mold 'untethered people' more easily to do/support what you want.  It's like giving candy to children.  Here's a free phone, here's free birth control, here's a racial quota, let's "go after" the 'rich' and make things 'fair', here's a government contract, here's a grant, here's a regulation to make you feel better...  It's literally throwing candy around treating everyone like children, but don't pay attention to what I'm doing over here, and never mind how we messed that up, THEY WANT TO TAKE THE CANDY AWAY!!!         
86  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Is it possible to be "cool" and support Mitt Romney? on: October 17, 2012, 10:08:54 am
You left out Clint Eastwood, John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, Ronald Regan, etc. etc.
87  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: DEVELOPING: Candy Crowley admits Romney was correct on Libya on: October 17, 2012, 09:51:13 am
While I'm hurt by your intellectual superiority... you haven't made a comment that discredits the president's story.

The president referred to Libya as 'an act of terror', but if you don't realise that there is a huge difference between 'an act of terror' and a planned act undertaken by a specific organised terrorist cell. An act of terror doesn't have to be undertaken by an organised terrorist cell.

It took 14 days to confirm it as a clear act perpetrated by a terrorist cell, as opposed to what they mistakenly thought was an act of terror brought about by incitement from the video and related to the video....

They are different...

The administration might adopt that story today, I don't know they've changed 20 times in the last month.  They might change to something else before the day is over. 

It will be very easy for Obama to make an ad of this clip from the debate, and of the clip from him clearly labeling it an act of terror in the Rose Garden.  Too easy almost.

Actually that would be extremely hard to do and will draw attention to this disaster for the president that I'm sure they want to "just go away". 
The truth writes ads much more easily:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFf0dUH3OtU&feature=related

88  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the debate? on: October 17, 2012, 09:38:01 am
At least the moderator was sexy.
Careful, some people are into that sort of thing.   
89  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the debate? on: October 17, 2012, 09:32:35 am
Obama, convincingly. Romney did about the same as last time, but it wasn't enough to win at all.

That Libya exchange is going to go up there with Ford in 1976 and Dukakis in 1988 - it's a defining moment of the election.

How can Obama win while, as you say, making a historic "election defining" gaff ? ? ?
90  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Can Mitt Romney recover? on: October 17, 2012, 09:28:12 am
I wouldn't be surprised if Romney made gains from this.  When it came down to all of the specific questions on CNN and such, they all tended to favour Romney [who would run the economy better, etc...].  

This.  Like Biden, Obama can claim "victory" as he loses votes across the country.  Alienating woman and losing every important issues is a damning cocktail.  Also, having no plan, vision, or reason to reelect you is a major problem.    

Guys, Romney better keep gaining, because he hasn't gained enough yet - Obama's still at a 277 victory:


OH, WI, IA, NV are basically within a point.  Romney's campaign is basically just starting in WI and (I believe NV).  The traction Romney has finally picked up in OH points to him probably winning there.  I can see VA possibly holding close as an Obama firewall.  So Romney is probably at 266 with 25 in play.  Boy, we go through all this and we will probably just end up with a Bush map (maybe flipping 1 or 2 states).  Although it wouldn't be surprising for Mitt to win those 25 in play (if he wins by 4 nationally), giving him 301.       



OH is not in Mitt's column.  If it ever is, VA will already be there.  Are you worried about Obama winning with 47% there because of Goode?
Right, I think OH will move into Mitt's column shortly, he finally has traction and will continue to move that state hi way. 

I think VA will probably be there for Mitt, but I see a plausible scenario where he loses close because Obama has a large immovable constituency for him there and that could be enough to build a firewall (win by a sliver).  Obama could lose ground everywhere and gain ground in VA if he focused his efforts theoretically, so I keep that possibility open. 

 
91  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: The Debate Bounce on: October 17, 2012, 09:15:18 am

Romney might stop gaining at 50-51
Obama might gain a point or two off his 45-46
OR
Romney hits 52+ territory.

0 to -2.
92  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Is it possible to be "cool" and support Mitt Romney? on: October 17, 2012, 09:10:35 am
Yes.  In fact the types that support Obama/dems are increasingly uncool every year.  I coach a High School sports team and 9 of the 10 coolest kids are Romney supporters.  The Obama kid only is cool because he is funny and good at making fun of himself like a clown.  It's hard to like someone who's super serious about supporting BO because typically they have no logical basis to do so.     

The serious case for Obama is that his government spending/hiring is the only thing keeping unemployment out of the teens and GDP growth positive right now.  Unfortunately for him, it's a challenging and very hypothetical case to make.  Hence the repeated warnings about going back to Bush policies. 
That is somewhat logical, but
1) Most people aren't that coherent in forming a rational for BO.  
2) Under basic examination that line breaks down and becomes extremely hard to defend, at which point illogical things inevitably come out in an emotional torrent.  

It's hard to like someone who's super serious about supporting BO because typically they have no logical basis to do so.    

Unless they're not rich.
 
I'm not sure what your point is.  "Only rich people are Republicans?"  
Dems are the party of the super rich and powerful and they try to "buy" the cheapest/easiest votes they can in order to keep/use power to preserve/improve their power structure.  
That being the case, I can't make out your point.    
93  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Can Mitt Romney recover? on: October 17, 2012, 08:51:42 am
I wouldn't be surprised if Romney made gains from this.  When it came down to all of the specific questions on CNN and such, they all tended to favour Romney [who would run the economy better, etc...].  

This.  Like Biden, Obama can claim "victory" as he loses votes across the country.  Alienating woman and losing every important issues is a damning cocktail.  Also, having no plan, vision, or reason to reelect you is a major problem.    

Guys, Romney better keep gaining, because he hasn't gained enough yet - Obama's still at a 277 victory:


OH, WI, IA, NV are basically within a point.  Romney's campaign is basically just starting in WI and (I believe NV).  The traction Romney has finally picked up in OH points to him probably winning there.  I can see VA possibly holding close as an Obama firewall.  So Romney is probably at 266 with 25 in play.  Boy, we go through all this and we will probably just end up with a Bush map (maybe flipping 1 or 2 states).  Although it wouldn't be surprising for Mitt to win those 25 in play (if he wins by 4 nationally), giving him 301.       

94  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: In an electoral tie with a Democratic sentate on: October 17, 2012, 08:30:58 am
I can see some 'For the Good of America and Our National Security' calls for the Senate to elect Ryan -- especially if Romney wins the PV

I wouldn't count on it.  If there is a 269-269, we will most assuredly have a Romney/Biden administration.  Dems won't back down, and hey, why should they?

it may only take 1 or 2 defectors.

Yeah, and imagine yourself in Joe Manchin's shoes in this scenario, especially if Romney wins the popular vote. 

If Biden was effectively frozen out of the Romney administration, I wonder who Romney would delegate all the usual veep business to. One of the cabinet members? Or would he appoint someone (possibly keeping Ryan on) to be a "special adviser" to the president, basically acting as an unofficial VP.

If 269-269 ever happens, the electoral college will likely be removed soon thereafter.

This.

That would be an interesting/weird role for Ryan. 

Scenarios:
Ryan keeps his house seat... would they make him speaker?

If Biden is considered "disabled" could he be removed from office ? 

A lame duck Senate could vote Biden in as VP and then the new Republican majority could vote on impeachment to remove him from office. 
95  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Can Mitt Romney recover? on: October 17, 2012, 08:04:53 am
I wouldn't be surprised if Romney made gains from this.  When it came down to all of the specific questions on CNN and such, they all tended to favour Romney [who would run the economy better, etc...]. 

This.  Like Biden, Obama can claim "victory" as he loses votes across the country.  Alienating woman and losing every important issues is a damning cocktail.  Also, having no plan, vision, or reason to reelect you is a major problem.     
96  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Is it possible to be "cool" and support Mitt Romney? on: October 17, 2012, 08:00:23 am
Yes.  In fact the types that support Obama/dems are increasingly uncool every year.  I coach a High School sports team and 9 of the 10 coolest kids are Romney supporters.  The Obama kid only is cool because he is funny and good at making fun of himself like a clown.  It's hard to like someone who's super serious about supporting BO because typically they have no logical basis to do so.     
97  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the debate? on: October 17, 2012, 07:50:55 am
CNN and CBS polling show Obama "won" the debate (largely because he beat expectations), but Romney won on every major issue.  I'll buy that.  As things go forward you can use substance wins much more than "hey, I beat expectations!"
98  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: DEVELOPING: Candy Crowley admits Romney was correct on Libya on: October 17, 2012, 12:21:46 am
I think the story will the GOP whining about the moderator... and even if the specific story gets a lot of exposure - they play the video of Obama's speech, which wraps Benghazi VERY clearly into the 9/11 discussion.

There was no epic lie.
than 14 days completely contradicting your narrative,  Joe Biden's comments last week.  You lose three ways and you aren't even making an argument 1 way effectively. 
99  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: DEVELOPING: Candy Crowley admits Romney was correct on Libya on: October 17, 2012, 12:11:12 am
You think arguing about the placement of a phrase in a statement... is going to be the story tomorrow?

Ah, ha.

Have you been awake the last month?  Romney went from 5 down to 5 up and this story has been going the entire time.  Add an epic lie by the president in front of a national audience and you think it will go away???  why would it go away?
100  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: DEVELOPING: Candy Crowley admits Romney was correct on Libya on: October 17, 2012, 12:06:11 am
She walked back her mess up short of admitting she was wrong.  For her, that quickly, is basically admitting wrongdoing though.  This Obama screw up will dominate the news the next few days.  Even if he said Bengazi was a organized terror attack on 9.12, he and his administration than lied for the next 14 days which is worse than not saying it on 9.12 in some ways.    

I think in the context, where Rice and the Press Secretary said it was a (nonexistent) mob, after Obama's comment, it clearly wasn't regarded as an "act of terror," and certainly not a terrorist attack.

That said, I think someone screwed up, and I can't for the life of me figure out why they kept the story going for two weeks, why Biden gave his statement in his debate and why Obama just didn't use a Bay of Pigs line (and this was no where nearly as serious as the Bay of Pigs).

exactly, even their cover up/ screw up is epically bad. 
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