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76  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Remember how excited Republicans were for this debate when Romney picked Ryan? on: October 12, 2012, 01:05:15 pm
When the definitive image of the debate is Biden appearing to share many qualities with a famous homicidal maniac, than you can't claim victory and demand everyone concede. 

Which homicidal maniac would that be?
I was thinking heath ledger's joker, but now I might be leaning toward Jack Nicholson's because of the age thing...  I'm deciding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImFp-eayGp8
77  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Remember how excited Republicans were for this debate when Romney picked Ryan? on: October 12, 2012, 11:58:50 am
When the definitive image of the debate is Biden appearing to share many qualities with a famous homicidal maniac, than you can't claim victory and demand everyone concede. 

Biden made serious errors on substance and Ryan didn't, I can't over look that either. 
78  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Biden laughing at the issues on: October 12, 2012, 11:48:43 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly1al4K3u2M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCtemaHgjyA

79  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Remember how excited Republicans were for this debate when Romney picked Ryan? on: October 12, 2012, 11:05:07 am
Remember how the genius, forward-thinking Ryan was going to waltz into the VP debate and clobber that bumbling old fool, Joe Biden, with his big ideas and his brilliant explanatory skills and youthful demeanor? Conservatives were so excited about that inevitable victory in August. And now they're whining that Joe Biden smiled too much.

And?

Ryan delivered.  Ole Joe will probably be parodied on SNL.

Biden alienated key constituencies and made several gaffs that will negatively effect the news cycle. 

Ryan did nothing wrong.  Ryan choice still looks brilliant.   
80  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 12, 2012, 10:59:33 am
Biden wins: democrats, some men who don't care about the debate. 
Ryan wins : women, independents, young people

...clearly a Biden win, LOL. 
81  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 12, 2012, 08:47:14 am
Biden's performance did nothing outside of rile his base.  That was his goal, I guess, but the Democratic base alone is not going to win Obama his reelection.

I know everyone says undecided voters are idiots, blah blah blah...well those are the voters who will decide this election, and the simple fact is that Biden looked bad.  Ryan *literally* could not answer a single question without Biden talking all over him.  Whatever substance was in Biden's arguments was lost by his constant interruptions, mocking laughs, and facial expressions.

You can call undecideds idiots all you want, but they are the ones who are going to elect--or not--your candidate.  Going after your base is one thing; to go after your base at the expense of the undecideds is just plain stupid, and I think that's what happened with the way Biden handled himself.  How hard is it to give your opponent a chance to answer a question and simply attack his answer after he's made it, rather than interrupt him every single time he opens his mouth?  Even if what Ryan said was not factual, let him dig his own grave with his lies, don't dig yourself one too!
yes, yes, and yes, but Biden made dems feel better about themselves so Biden won.  
82  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: paul ryan lost the debate on: October 12, 2012, 08:39:46 am
Left leaning pundits agree Biden won, what a surprise.
I thought Biden was arrogant, bullying, and obnoxious, and as one focus group participant said, a buffoon.  Ryan was the better candidate.  Apparently most people agree:

Final CNN poll who won? Ryan 49 Biden 43
NBC poll who won? Ryan 56 to Biden 36
AP poll who won? Ryan 51 to Biden 43
Time will erode whatever points Biden's "performance" scored.  Still shots and video of Old, crazy, senile, rude, untrustworthy, hackish politician, unserious, and dangerous mad man doesn't exactly play well with the American people (maybe with democrats).       
83  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 12, 2012, 08:31:52 am
Its amazing to me how many people see what they want to see, and can somehow say Biden won?

I thought Biden was arrogant, bullying, and obnoxious, and as one focus group participant said, a buffoon.  Ryan was the better candidate.  Outside of the CBS poll three polls show Ryan won:

Final CNN poll who won? Ryan 49 Biden 43
NBC poll who won? Ryan 56 to Biden 36
AP poll who won? Ryan 51 to Biden 43

I'm watching the morning shows:

MSNBC:  Biden, to joky, not presidential.

CNN:  Libya

FOX:  Libya

It wasn't a bad debate.  

I'd give it to Ryan on points (largely for style), but not by much, and both candidates had a B+.

It's pretty clear Ryan's performance gets better with time (like I said it would) and Biden's gets worse with time.  If you understand boxing, Biden was wildly throwing a million punches not landing any and Ryan just threw a few straight jabs that landed on the jaw.  
Also, the truth always comes out (eventualy) and Biden's lies are particularly bad because they will keep the Libya thing in the news and perhaps highlight how incompetent the dems are about taxes and revenue (the economy, jobs and debt).      

So Biden lost on 1)Foreign policy and 2) The economy and taxes...  Those aren't big issues. 
84  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 11, 2012, 11:02:08 pm
My democratic family members said they thought Biden looked like a "prick" because of his smugness.

His laughing and grinning was childish. Of course, VP debates don't matter. Ask Vice President Quayle.

I'm tired of you citing your "democratic" family members as if their opinion is supposed to fing mean something. Its like when Romney strategically arranges black people and Hispanics to be seen on camera right behind him during rallies.

When you type "stuff" like that, do you have some crazy Biden look on your face? 
85  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 11, 2012, 10:52:04 pm
Biden absolutely destroyed Ryan though I don't think veep debates matter all that much. And the Republican denials provides an interesting contrast with the 1st debate, where most Dems conceded Obama did not do well. It tells you a lot about the difference between Republicans and Democrats.
polling, focus groups, social media, and common sense points to a Biden loss, although it wasn't as bad as Obama's because Joe is a fighter, a really weird clownish buffoon fighter, but a fighter.  He gets some points for that.    
86  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 11, 2012, 10:47:40 pm
They both had jobs to do... Biden needed to fire up the base and Ryan needed to secure those who shifted after the last debate.
Probably true, Partisan Dems feel better about themselves and Indies and women continue their march away from dems and to Romney/Ryan.  Not sure how thats a Biden "win" but OK.
87  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The RogueBeaver Institute for Paul Ryan: Where does Ryan 2016 stand now? on: October 11, 2012, 10:41:49 pm
He's the frontrunner because he's the "next guy in line" and he's the intellectual leader of the party.  All he would have to do is jump ahead in fundraising, which wouldn't be very hard because of the first point.  He's pretty likely to win the party nomination at some point given how young he is. 
88  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who would you support in 2016 primary (Democrats) on: October 11, 2012, 10:38:30 pm
Whoever made that map is a moron who has no knowledge of American history or political demographics. Including Minnesota and Wisconsin, two states that have been colored nearly exclusively by their Scandinavian and German heritage, in "Yankeedom" is a real travesty. I could go on and on about how stupid that map is but I'll stop here. It has no relevance to any serious political discussion. 
Scandinavians replicate modern 'Yankee' tendencies pretty consistently, however some/most Germans align more with the midlands.   
89  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 11, 2012, 10:25:02 pm
Anyone who thinks Ryan won is a hack, just like anyone who thinks Obama won the last debate is a hack.  


I'm watching twitter and Facebook and the comments are overwhelmingly about how bad Biden was.
 Plus Biden was wrong on a number of things, some of which might be pretty damaging the next few days.  

Funny, my twitter feed is the exact opposite. Maybe because you're mostly following conservatives?


It's a pretty good mix actually, my college friends are/were lefties and my local/old friends tend to be right of center.  

It's funny watching arguments.  Which is were the Biden clown show is dominating conversation.    
90  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 11, 2012, 10:16:51 pm
Anyone who thinks Ryan won is a hack, just like anyone who thinks Obama won the last debate is a hack.  


I'm watching twitter and Facebook and the comments are overwhelmingly about how bad Biden was.
 Plus Biden was wrong on a number of things, some of which might be pretty damaging the next few days.  
91  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 11, 2012, 10:08:34 pm
Biden looked so bad and Ryan looks so good that Joe probably lost women especially.  Biden might have won the union crowd, that's about it. 
92  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 11, 2012, 09:55:10 pm
As time goes by you forget the stupid emotional appeals Biden attempted, but you still remember him being a weird, clownish, ass.  I have to think that isn't good.  

Ryan was serious, respectful, interested in bi-partisanship, and obviously more substantive.  I have to think that's good.    
93  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Is Obama finished? on: October 11, 2012, 09:48:46 pm
...Americans ... I doubt if they care about the amount of melanin in his/her skin.

Wow, you're very wrong there.  This is their number one consideration.

This is their number one consideration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBHPvfAt5ow

Nonsense.  All the ones who have a job already are free to indulge in their racism - that's something like 95% of whites.
unemployment is over 10%.  That effects everyone because of government programs and debt issues.   
94  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Who won the Debate? on: October 11, 2012, 09:43:31 pm
Biden lost every point on substance and looked like an ass.  Ryan had the best moments of the debate and Ryan won the closing statements huge.  Biden tried to appeal to emotion when he wasn't being a weirdo, so he may have scored some points with that.  
95  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Is Obama finished? on: October 11, 2012, 10:37:04 am
...Americans ... I doubt if they care about the amount of melanin in his/her skin.

Wow, you're very wrong there.  This is their number one consideration.

This is their number one consideration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBHPvfAt5ow
96  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney shamed out of using Navy SEAL he couldn't remember as political prop on: October 11, 2012, 10:34:05 am
I highly doubt the accuracy of what you bolded.

As if Mitt is any more believable. Mitt has a documented record of lying. Even after being called out for specific lies, he repeats them with glee. Do you dispute his record? If not, you are foolish to dismiss the account of someone who knew the deceased well.

lie
fallacy
97  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney shamed out of using Navy SEAL he couldn't remember as political prop on: October 11, 2012, 08:59:36 am
Romney said he met and was impressed with a "young man".                Romney +
Romney said he was shocked to learn Doherty was killed in Benghazi.   Romney +
Romney points out that this story is an example of great American character Romney ++
Romney shows genuine emotion about how hes effected by this event  Romney+++
Dems try to somehow contort a family request into some large negative  Dems - - -
Dems attack Romney for no reason                                                            Dems - - -

Dems ignore the hypocrisy/weirdness they display by attacking Romney for honoring a request while they refuse to honor the request to stop using Big Bird.     Dems - - - -

Dems ignore how they invented details with the 'haircut' story that the family had to demand they stop doing.                                                                                         Dems -

Romney +7  
Dems     -11



 
98  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney has won VA, NC, FL on: October 11, 2012, 08:33:10 am
I am fairly certain Obama will win Virginia. The growth in No-VA over the last 4 years is mostly in the demographic groups favorable to Obama. This is where the ground game comes into play and it should add a couple points to his margin.

The growth in northern Virgina isn't a panacea for dems/Obama.  (I realize the 'party of government employes against America' has an advantage with gov employees)  Many/most of the people are from the midwest and will just as easily vote for a centrist Republican as a leftist democrat.  They are different than the rest of Virginia, but they aren't Vermonters or anything.     
99  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Is Obama finished? on: October 11, 2012, 08:21:45 am
Well, unless you're about 90 years old now, there will be plenty of white Presidents in your lifetime.  In fact, I believe Obama will be the only non white President for some time to come.

Just sayin'.

It might help you to understand my post if you read this.  

I think people will try to get over 50% of the PV and over 270 EVs in the future... just a guess. 
100  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Is Obama finished? on: October 10, 2012, 10:53:08 am
I don't think he's finished but he's looking quite desperate....downright silly, in fact.

I haven't even seen a single sign of him since the collapse.  Where've you seen him Grumps?

In fact only whites could possibly save him now, he can't save himself: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=161227.0



He's made public appearances and he's been lame, but his minions, opebo.....pathetic.  Then these stupid ads.  Keeping Biden in hiding (maybe not a bad idea)....these guys are cocky bastards at heart, but Obama is acting like a beaten down puppy left in the rain.  I'm sure the valium prescriptions shot way up in his  Chicago HQ since the debate.   He's not inspiring anyone at this moment.

This has basically been Obama his entire term in office (weak, leading from behind, no plan, demagogic, in over his head, uninterested), but he wasn't as exposed as he is now.  Amazing what 90 minutes of sunshine can 'find'. 
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