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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best President in US History? on: May 28, 2015, 07:05:04 pm
The fetish of several members of this forum for an unrepentant slaveholder is mildly disturbing.

Are you part of the "slave owner = automatic HP" crowd? If you are, by the same logic I guess we must never vote for FDR because he put Japanese Americans in camps. Or perhaps there's more to a president than doing or being one horrific thing/action...

There's a difference between doing something, however horrific, because you believe it to be necessary for the survival of the nation, and doing something because you hope to profit personally from it.

You have to consider things in the context of the time......  It's a lot easier to oppose something when it's widely condemned and completely illegal.  It's certainly not good many Founders had slaves, but that doesn't mean we should automatically call them HPs. 

Who knows, we may be calling people "unrepentant meat eaters" 500 years in the future.  We don't know what moral directions society would turn.

That logic would hold up better if there wasn't a significant movement for the abolition of slavery during Jefferson's lifetime. As it was, Jefferson survived to see the elimination of slavery in all states north of the Mason-Dixon, as well as the prohibition of the international slave trade. Half the country hasn't yet banned meat.

The fetish of several members of this forum for an unrepentant slaveholder is mildly disturbing.

Are you part of the "slave owner = automatic HP" crowd? If you are, by the same logic I guess we must never vote for FDR because he put Japanese Americans in camps. Or perhaps there's more to a president than doing or being one horrific thing/action...

There's a difference between doing something, however horrific, because you believe it to be necessary for the survival of the nation, and doing something because you hope to profit personally from it.

What an absurd excuse for FDR's actions. LOL, You can't at least say some discrimination and xenophobia came into the decision? I'm not defending Jefferson's slave owning at all, but there's more  to the founders than 'they owned slaves'. You're suggesting to just look past and ignore all the other things.

I'm not excusing FDR's actions. Merely suggesting that perhaps enslaving entire generations for profit is a tad more morally reprehensible than a wartime internment. Attempting to directly analogize the two is absurd.
2  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best President in US History? on: May 28, 2015, 04:29:20 pm
The fetish of several members of this forum for an unrepentant slaveholder is mildly disturbing.

Are you part of the "slave owner = automatic HP" crowd? If you are, by the same logic I guess we must never vote for FDR because he put Japanese Americans in camps. Or perhaps there's more to a president than doing or being one horrific thing/action...

There's a difference between doing something, however horrific, because you believe it to be necessary for the survival of the nation, and doing something because you hope to profit personally from it.
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Which Senators would you really like to see lose next year? on: May 28, 2015, 04:24:52 pm
DeSantis or Lopez-Cantera or whoever.
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best President in US History? on: May 28, 2015, 04:05:19 pm
The fetish of several members of this forum for an unrepentant slaveholder is mildly disturbing.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: LA labor leaders push hard for $15 mim wage, but hold on a second... on: May 27, 2015, 08:49:19 pm
Yglesias with the explainer:

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The dissonance in the American case is that while we have long had labor unions, they are very much a niche force in the private sector economy. They're not nearly strong enough to replace labor market regulation, which is precisely why unions are often political advocates for regulation to complement their bargaining work. Then when they turn around and suggest Nordic-style flexibility inside the context of a collective bargain, it looks like pure opportunism. And, obviously, like everything in politics, there is some opportunism present. But the basic notion is that a work agreement reached through a collective bargaining process should be judged presumptively fair and non-exploitative in a way that isn't true for individual bargaining alone. That's obviously not an idea everyone accepts. But it's very close to the core of what labor unions are all about, so you can see why they would embrace its application in this instance.
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Question for Sanders supporters on: May 27, 2015, 09:23:10 am
Depends on what state I'm registered in and who the Republican candidate is.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which would be harder? on: May 27, 2015, 09:11:16 am
Nebraska's 3rd is an R+23 district, whereas DC is D+41. Pretty easy answer here.
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Where Would You Rather Have Served In on: May 25, 2015, 07:53:41 pm
Depends on who's going to capture you.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Least Favorite County in your state on: May 25, 2015, 04:47:58 pm
There's two types of 'worst' counties in Florida: there's the 'suburban hell' counties (Broward and Seminole come to mind), but there's also the 'rural hell' type (Liberty, Glades, Lafayette, Dixie, Calhoun, Hamilton, etc). The latter's probably worse, but no idea what the worse one is. Probably Liberty.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Your 5 favorite counties in your state on: May 25, 2015, 04:32:44 pm
1. Monroe
2. Pinellas
3. Sarasota
4. Leon
5. Indian River
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: which state bordering yours would you most like to live? on: May 25, 2015, 04:30:31 pm
[1]Georgia
[2]Cuba
[3]Bahamas
[4]Alabama
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: FL-Sen: Murphy In on: May 25, 2015, 07:42:10 am
Bongino has a bright future as the next Bob Smith.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Reaganfan Theatre of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts V on: May 24, 2015, 05:39:37 pm
Racism; first against blacks, then against Asians, and now against whites.

Oldies on the defining theme of the Democratic Party.
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best Senators of the Past 50 Years: Florida on: May 24, 2015, 09:10:19 am
Stuck between Chiles and Graham, went with Chiles.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Which journalist would you nominate as a 'dick'. on: May 24, 2015, 09:05:34 am
Surprised nobody's mentioned Bill Maher yet.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Where Does Bush's Support Go? on: May 24, 2015, 08:09:42 am
Feeling most of his supporters would go to Walker, but most of his donors would go to Rubio.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Hillary supporters in California on: May 21, 2015, 06:56:46 pm
Whatever, you can always find stupid people to interview. 

Isn't "We are Change" some type of 9/11 conspiracy nutcase group?

"We Are Change" is a group dedicated to waking up the sheeple to the reality of the New World Order. Their MO seems to involve catching people on video saying stupid things like "politicians other than Ron Paul are okay sometimes" or "global warming is real" or "Bin Laden planned 9/11".
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: KY: 2015 Gubernatorial Republican Primary Election Result on: May 21, 2015, 03:32:34 pm
Bevin will be Governor. Conway has a habit of losing to Tea Party candidates in landslides.

Habit, noun: a settled or regular tendency or practice. One instance doesn't make a habit.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: (Left of center people only) Which GOPer would you choose, if you had to? on: May 21, 2015, 06:58:33 am
Paul. Can't understand the love for Kasich, and especially not the love for Bush.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: (Right of center people only) Which Dem would you choose, if you had to? on: May 20, 2015, 10:26:16 pm
The Republican...

Did you mean Reagan's Navy Secretary, the Republican Senator from Rhode Island, or the former Goldwater Girl?
21  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Favorite University Series: Wisconsin/Minnesota edition on: May 20, 2015, 10:24:24 pm
Voted Carleton, as I'll likely be applying there.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is the Tea Party an eco-terrorist organization? on: May 20, 2015, 09:06:03 pm
This is... typically not what 'eco-terrorist' means.
23  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best Senators of the Past 50 Years: Arkansas on: May 20, 2015, 08:55:13 pm
Voted Fulbright, in the hope that his ghost will remember my vote a few years from now when it comes time to apply for his scholarship.
24  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Palestinians banned from riding same buses as Israelis: official on: May 20, 2015, 06:14:48 pm
Ya'alon appears to be dedicated to bringing down Bibi's government. Note that nobody's said the program has been ended; only "suspended".
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: KY: 2015 Gubernatorial Republican Primary Election Result on: May 20, 2015, 04:40:51 pm
Who should I, as a Democrat, be happy or sad about winning or losing?

Be happy that Heiner lost; he's a fairly moderate big-money Republican with the funding to cause Conway trouble. Two weeks ago, I'd also say be happy about Comer losing, but since these domestic violence allegations have emerged, I don't know. There's probably more lines of attack against Bevin, and it's questionable whether all of the Kentucky establishment will unite behind him (lingering effects of the McConnell primary), but the violence against Comer is damning. Good primary, all in all.
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