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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts III on: June 17, 2013, 08:45:20 pm
The latest in the venerable tradition of libertarian 13 year olds posting moronic timelines in the what-if board:

It is 2100, and another presidential election is coming up. There has been some serious tensions between Poland and Swanceany (a mixture of Switzerland, France, and Germany. Switzerland doesn't follow a non-interventionist foreign policy anymore.) Some conspiracy theorist predict a World War 3, but for now things remain slightly calm in America. China and India is getting stronger, and America and Canada are thinking of uniting into one country called The United States of Canerica, but no major move has taken place yet. The economy is mixed right now with a 7.5% unemployment. It's getting worse. After a long wait, here are the results of the 2100 presidential election:


Electoral College:

531 EVs all together

Republicans: 315 EVs

Democrats: 216 EVs

266 EVs to win


Popular Vote:

Republicans: 51% of vote

Democrats: 48% of vote


(Note: We sold Idaho to Canada to pay for a war. Oklahoma has the most electoral votes because people were rapidly moving there because of massive oil discoveries. Oklahoma is also a swing state. The area between Nevada and Massachusetts is called the Minority Belt, that is why the Democrats did so well in this area.)

How does World War 3 and the future elections look like?

You decide!
I do not frequent the What-if board as much due to timelines like this. Users who post timelines similar to this one are definately trolls and should be banned from the site.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Who would you have voted for in in past presidential elections? on: June 17, 2013, 08:20:50 pm
1789: George Washington (Independent)
1792: George Washington (Independent)
1796: Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican)
1800: Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican)
1804: Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican)
1808: James Madison (Democratic-Republican)
1812: James Madison (Democratic-Republican)
1816: James Monroe (Democratic-Republican)
1820: James Monroe (Democratic-Republican)
1824: Henry Clay (Democratic-Republican)
1828: John Quincy Adams (National Republican)
1832: Henry Clay (National Republican)
1836: William Henry Harrison (Whig)
1840: William Henry Harrison (Whig)
1844: Henry Clay (Whig)
1848: Martin Van Buren (Free Soil)
1852: John P. Hale (Free Soil)
1856: John C. Fremont (Republican)
1860: Abraham Lincoln (Republican)
1864: Abraham Lincoln (National Union)
1868: Ulysses Grant (Republican)
1872: Ulysses Grant (Republican)
1876: James Weaver (Greenback)
1880: James Garfield (Republican)
1884: Grover Cleveland (Democratic)
1888: Benjamin Harrison (Republican)
1892: James Weaver (Populist)
1896: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1900: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1904: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)
1908: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1912: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1916: Charles Evans Hughes (Republican)
1920: Eugene Debs (Socialist)
1924: Robert LaFollette (Progressive)
1928: Al Smith (Democratic) (I might have been tempted by Norman Thomas though)
1932: Franklin Roosevelt (Democratic)
1936: Franklin Roosevelt (Democratic)
1940: Franklin Roosevelt (Democratic)
1944: Franklin Roosevelt (Democratic)
1948: Harry Truman (Democratic)
1952: Dwight Eisenhower (Republican)
1956: Dwight Eisenhower (Republican) (I might have been tempted to vote for Adlai Stevenson due to his running-mate Estes Kefauver. The Westman Timeline by Mechaman helped to give me a pretty positive opinion about Estes Kefauver)
1960: John F. Kennedy (Democratic)
1964: Lyndon Johnson (Democratic)
1968: Hubert Humphrey (Democratic)
1972: George McGovern (Democratic)
1976: Jimmy Carter (Democratic)
1980: Ronald Reagan (Republican) (I might have been tempted by John Anderson though)
1984: Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1988: Ron Paul (Libertarian)
1992: Ross Perot (Independent) (I might have been persuaded to vote for Bill Clinton though)
1996: Bill Clinton (Democratic)
2000: At the time George W. Bush (Republican), but in retrospect, I would have supported Al Gore (Democratic)
2004: John Kerry (Democratic)
2008: Barack Obama (Democratic)
2012: Barack Obama (Democratic) (My first actual vote)

Democratic Primaries 1952-2012:
1952: Estes Kefauver
1956: Estes Kefauver
1960: John F. Kennedy
1964: Lyndon Johnson
1968: At first, Robert Kennedy, then Eugene McCarthy after Robert Kennedy’s assassination
1972: Hubert Humphrey
1976: At first Lloyd Bentsen, then Frank Church after Lloyd Bentsen dropped out
1980: Ted Kennedy
1984: Gary Hart
1988: Al Gore
1992: Tom Harkin
1996: Bill Clinton
2000: Bill Bradley
2004: Howard Dean
2008: Barack Obama
2012: Barack Obama

Republican Primaries 1952-2012:
1952: Dwight Eisenhower
1956: Dwight Eisenhower
1960: Richard Nixon
1964: Nelson Rockefeller
1968: Nelson Rockefeller
1972: Pete McCloskey
1976: Gerald Ford
1980: Ronald Reagan
1984: Ronald Reagan
1988: George H.W. Bush
1992: George H.W. Bush
1996: Bob Dole
2000: John McCain
2004: Lincoln Chaffee (Write-in)
2008: The Republican primary candidates for 2008 were even worse than in 2012, but if I had to choose, I would probably support Rudy Giuliani.
2012: Jon Huntsman

Generic Midterm Election Ballots 1930-2010:
1930: Democratic
1934: Democratic
1938: Republican
1942: Democratic
1946: Republican
1950: Republican
1954: Republican
1958: Democratic
1962: Democratic
1966: Republican
1970: Democratic
1974: Democratic
1978: Republican
1982: Republican
1986: Democratic
1990: Republican
1994: Republican
1998: Democratic
2002: Democratic
2006: Democratic
2010: At the time, I considered myself utraconservative, so Republican, but in retrosepct, I would have voted Democratic.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: 1962 midterm elections: First hints of an anti-Dem trend in the south? on: June 17, 2013, 07:37:52 pm
You are absolutely right about an anti-Democratic party trend beginning in the south during the 1962 midterm elections. I think it was partially to do with President Kennedy sending in federal troops in order to end the riots that began as a result of the integration of the University of Mississippi, which deeply angered many southern voters. I think that if the Cuban Missle Crisis did not occur, James Martin might have actually beat Lister Hill in the senatorial race in Alabama and both W. D. Workman, Jr. and Taylor W. O'Hearn might have done slightly better against Olin Johnson and Russel Long in their respective senate races in South Carolina and Louisiana.
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Hassan Rouhani on: June 16, 2013, 08:07:36 pm
By normal standards HP, but FF relatively speaking.
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of J. William Fulbright on: June 16, 2013, 08:06:18 pm
FF on foreign policy issues, but an absolute HP on civil rights.
6  General Discussion / History / Re: President who most damaged America, 1920-present? on: June 15, 2013, 03:18:33 pm
All of those presidents did their share of damage to this country, but Richard Nixon and George W. Bush did the most damage in my opinion.
7  General Discussion / History / Re: Poll: Favorite Nixon Campaign Slogan on: June 15, 2013, 03:11:25 pm
Write-in option!



Are they real campaign buttons from 1972?
I think they actually are. I have a Nixon bumper sticker that my mom gave me that says "Lick Dick In '68."
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which Republican Party do you prefer? on: June 13, 2013, 08:31:13 am
Both of those incarnations of the Republican Party are equallly awful in their own ways. I guess I would go with the Bush-era Republican Party beacuse there were still some moderates left in the party at that point, although most were either defeated in 2006 and 2008 or primaried by more hardline tea party movement supporters in 2010 and 2012. In addition, there are still some Neocons active in todays Republican Party such as Tom Cotton, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, John Bolton and Rick Santorum.
9  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Vote for the best Speaker of the House: Semi-Final Round on: June 13, 2013, 07:53:18 am
I guess Schuyler Colfax (R) and Newt Gingrich (R), although I'm definately not the biggest fan of Newt Gingrich. I'm surprised that Sam Rayburn and Henry Clay did not make it to the finals in this vote.
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Favorite Republican Party Era (Part 2) on: June 13, 2013, 07:46:39 am
When the GOP won the Civil War, abolished slavery, and (partially) fought for equal rights for blacks.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: who was president when you were in high school? on: June 10, 2013, 06:59:36 pm
I started hs in Fall 2008, so briefly George Bush but mostly Obama.

I remember when we Obama was sworn in, we got the morning off from classes to watch the inauguration on TV in the auditorium.
Same for me, although my school did not give us off from class that morning to watch Obama's inauguration. Some of the classrooms had small tvs in them, so I saw some of the inauguration at least.
12  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Last Time You'd Have Voted for the Other Party In a Presidential Election? on: June 09, 2013, 08:27:39 pm
Probably Eisenhower in '52 and '56. I mean, for goodness sake, the guy was a war hero, and if we have retrospect, he was excellent with the beginnings of desegregation.
You do have a good point about Eisenhower and civil rights. Although the 1957 and 1960 Civil Rights Acts were fairly weak, they laid the groundwork for the sweeping civil rights laws passed in 1964, 1965 and 1968.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Experiences with rural people? on: June 09, 2013, 03:01:04 pm
My mom grew up in a more rural area in my state with a lot of southern transplants and although my town is more or less considered suburban, most of the people there definitely have a rural mindset, especially regarding politics and social issues.
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Last Time You'd Have Voted for the Other Party In a Presidential Election? on: June 09, 2013, 07:39:55 am
Last Republican: Ronald Reagan in 1984 (Although I might have voted for George W. Bush in 2000 without hindsight)
Last Third-Party Candidate: Ross Perot in 1992 (Although I quite possibly could have been persuaded to vote for Bill Clinton)
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: bernie sanders? on: June 06, 2013, 12:44:30 pm
I think that Bernie Sanders could win Vermont, Massachusetts and Rhode Island if he ran as an Independent candidate and would most likely get around 5-10% of the vote nationally depending on who the other candidates are.
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Thaddeus Stevens on: June 03, 2013, 04:48:12 pm
17  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: NJ-Sen: Lautenberg has died on: June 03, 2013, 04:44:02 pm
That is sad. Even though I disagreed with him on some issues, I did admire Frank Lautenberg and felt that he was an honorable person and a good senator.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: because i cant resist. lincoln chafee? on: June 01, 2013, 07:28:33 pm
In the past, I did admire Lincoln Chaffee due to the fact that he stood up to President George W. Bush on issues such as the War in Iraq, the Bush tax cuts and the nomination of John Bolten for UN Ambassador. Today, however, I view him as mherely a political oppritunist. Anyways, heres how I think he would do if he won the Democratic Nomination in 2016.

Worst Case Scenerio (Lincoln Chaffe Vs. Chris Christie or Jon Huntsman):


Best Case Scenerio (Lincoln Chaffe Vs. Rick Santorum):
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As you can see, even Rick "Frothy" Santorum would defeat Lincoln Chaffee

Santorum would win Michigan (D+4) and Wisconsin (D+2) before his home state of Pennsylvania (D+1)?

I thought that Rick Santorum might have a chance to win in Wisconsin and Michigan due to the fact that Lincoln Chaffee is a much weaker Democratic candidate compared to Hillary Clinton, Andew Cuomo or even Joe Biden. Your probably right regarding Rick Santorum's perfromance in Pennslyvannia though.
19  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Mass Special- predictions on: June 01, 2013, 05:58:55 pm
I'm pretty sure that Markey will win, although an upset victory by Gomez would not surprise me at all.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: because i cant resist. lincoln chafee? on: June 01, 2013, 05:52:05 pm
In the past, I did admire Lincoln Chaffee due to the fact that he stood up to President George W. Bush on issues such as the War in Iraq, the Bush tax cuts and the nomination of John Bolten for UN Ambassador. Today, however, I view him as mherely a political oppritunist. Anyways, heres how I think he would do if he won the Democratic Nomination in 2016.

Worst Case Scenerio (Lincoln Chaffe Vs. Chris Christie or Jon Huntsman):


Best Case Scenerio (Lincoln Chaffe Vs. Rick Santorum):
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As you can see, even Rick "Frothy" Santorum would defeat Lincoln Chaffee
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 10 people you want out of Congress (or wouldn't mind seeing defeated) on: May 29, 2013, 03:34:14 pm
House Democrats:
Nancy Pelosi
Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Charlie Rangel
Jim Cooper
Maxine Waters

House Republicans:
Eric Cantor
John Boehner
Paul Ryan
Tom Cotton
Steve King
Michele Bachmann
Darrel Issa
Louie Ghomert
Mike Rodgers (Both the one from Alabama and the one from Michigan)
Tom Price

Senate Democrats:
Harry Reid
Joe Manchin
Diane Feinstein
Mark Pryor
Barbra Boxer

Seante Republicans:
Ted Cruz
Mitch McConnell
David Vitter
John Cornyn
Saxby Chambliss
22  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: Westman, Part II: The Rising on: May 27, 2013, 04:03:58 pm
As always, one of the best timelines on the site! BTW, who is ahead in the polling for the 1988 Republican and Democratic primaries and in what years were Charles Percy and Ronald Reagan initially elected to the Senate?
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Post random maps here on: May 25, 2013, 07:03:49 pm
Anybody want to guess this (easy) one?




1984: President Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Vice-President George H.W. Bush (R-TX) vs. Governor Michael Dukakis (D-MA)/Governor Mario Cuomo (D-NY)?
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which almanachs or yearbooks (print-edition) do you have ? on: May 25, 2013, 04:38:13 pm
I did have a 1968 world almanac that I found in my moms late uncles house, but it was destroyed during Hurricane Sandy.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: The Next One-Term President on: May 25, 2013, 06:18:34 am
I can definately see Chris Christie gaining the Republican Nomination in 2016 (After a brokered convention between himself, Rick Santorum and Rand Paul) and defeating the Democratic nomineee by a very slim margin, but losing re-election by a landslide in 2020 to a more progressive Democrat such as Elizabeth Warren, Brian Schweitzer or even Kamala Harris.
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