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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Fear and Loathing in 72 The Election Game (Game Thread) on: Today at 05:35:01 pm
John Lindsay will debate his fellow candidates.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: MN-PPP: Close race with Democrats slightly ahead; #DeezNutsmentum on: Today at 04:19:19 pm
Hillary only being up 5 to Donald Trump lol
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Trump win any primaries or caucuses? on: Today at 02:26:33 pm
I stand by my no.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Honest Question on: Today at 12:03:57 am
They're excited to visit him "at my swag store" -Jeb Bush

That and him mentioning twitter was pretty embarrassing.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who do you think did the worst at the NH Union Forum? on: August 03, 2015, 11:56:24 pm
Rick Perry by a healthy margin. He sounded totally unhinged in his answers. He has a problem with connecting his answers to an appropriate emotional temperament, and I think its a problem that ails him.

I didn't think Jeb did too bad in terms of actual performance (he was middle/slightly below middle of the pack), but in terms of expectations, he did a very bad job. Rubio's answers to policy specific questions were pretty awful too.

Santorum's "Dred Scott" answer certainly gives him at least some consideration.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who do you think did the best at the NH Union Forum? on: August 03, 2015, 11:53:20 pm
Fiorina did a great job. I would say Walker did a very good job as well on messaging and on the expectations front.

I'm surprised how many people said Kasich. Graham, with a few lines, completely painted the working class picture far better than Kasich or Santorum did.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NH GOP "Voters First Forum" **live commentary thread** on: August 03, 2015, 11:50:47 pm
Here are some thoughts:

I think Carly Fiorina did the best job of the group. She gave a strong answer for the 2008 economy question (for conservatives), was very sharp and concise, and knew what she was doing.

I liked Pauls answers, but beyond that I don't think he particularly stood out.

Jeb Bush and Scott Walker switched places in a way - I thought Walker over-performed expectations and gave concise, well done if overly rehearsed answers while Bush kind of fumbled the ball.

The worst performance in my mind, by a healthy margin, was Rick Perry, who sounded totally unhinged in terms to his emotional reactions.

Pataki was notably rusty, in my view, probably the second worst performance of the night.

Bobby Jindal got in some good lines (I liked math denial), but then fumbled the ball completely when he called himself a "doer, not a talker", which was a line that could be perfectly delivered by Rick Perry but sounded ham handed and kind of embarrassing when it delivered by Jindal.

Ben Carson's answer on healthcare was not bad actually, but then his reasoning for tax cuts were ridiculous, and he fell into his wandering, dreadful speaking style from his announcement speech in his closing statement.

Ted Cruz's Iran Deal response, with the black background, made him seem like Dr. Doom and Gloom, not a good luck for a candidate for President. I will give him credit for, unlike the rest of the hawks, actually giving some sort of specifics on his Iran Deal. It wasn't especially enlightening, but it was something.

Marco Rubio followed the format I've seen from him - when given a question that is vague and non-policy related, he hits it out of the park with his pre-prepared speech. When given a question that asks about actual policy, there's a real lack of depth that I noticed even in this forum where there isn't much depth, and I don't think it shows promise for his campaign down the line.

I thought Kasich sounded better than he did when he was running for Governor, but I think his attempts to sound like he was a working class guy trying to relate to people sounded a bit over the top. It was almost as if he was running for social worker, not for President.

By comparison, Lindsey Graham's story hit a lot closer to home. I actually thought Lindsey Graham did a good job for the material he was working with, and it certainly resonated with the other candidates, who acknowledge him in a way that no other candidate was acknowledged. I almost think he's like McGovern in 1984 - no chance of winning, but gaining the hearts and minds of the GOP elders and probably earning a strong reputation for the rest of his career.

Rick Santorum did okay for what he was saying, at least until his comparison of gay marriage to Dred Scott, which was utterly despicable. He was working the working class angle as he usually does, but it seemed like others had co-opted the message and done a better job with it. Like Perry he seemed a bit agitated, but unlike Perry, he didn't seem unhinged in his emotional reaction, and instead just seemed agitated the whole time.

For a guy who has energy and can relate, Chris Christie looked worn out, and answered almost like he was. I thought this would be the place for him to come out swinging, but it seemed like it was almost the opposite here. I liked his answer on drug rehabilitation, but I found it oddly conflicting with his stiff stance on pot, though I could understand it.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Fear and Loathing in 72 The Election Game (Game Thread) on: August 03, 2015, 05:57:18 pm
Endorsers of John Lindsay (January 16-22, 1972)

- Former Governor Endicott Peabody will be fundraising in Massachusetts.
- Former Governor Sam Goddard will be campaigning in Arizona.
- Former Congressman George F. Senner will be campaigning in Arizona
- Former Congressman Joseph Oliva Huot will be campaigning in New Hampshire.
- Tampa Mayor Dick Greco will be campaigning in Florida.
- Former Governor Sam Shapiro will be campaigning in Illinois
- Orlando Mayor Carl Langford will be holding fundraisers for John Lindsay in Florida.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Fear and Loathing in 72’ – The Election Game (Game Thread) on: August 03, 2015, 05:49:20 pm
Lindsay 72 Schedule: January 16th-22nd, 1972



"The War in Vietnam doesn't just affect the lives of solidiers, it affects those here in America. For every dollar spent in Vietnam, its a hospital or a school that goes unbuilt, housing unrepaired, and men and women without jobs - and instead we're spending it on a quagmire gone haywire. That's why I spoke out against the war while so many were hiding for cover. "

January 16th, 1972:
Town Hall in Clarinda, Iowa
Town Hall in Creston, Iowa
Town Hall in Indianola, Iowa
Opening Campaign office in Des Moines, Iowa

January 17th, 1972:
Barnstorming in Des Moines, Iowa
Meet and Greet in Des Moines, Iowa
Town Hall in Ames, Iowa

"The shock of a terrorist plot in Chicago makes me think about how safe we truly are within our own borders. With all this focus on foreign dictatorships that we keep trying to thwart, we have to better defend ourselves rather than putting our stamp around the globe."

January 18th, 1972:
Barnstorming in Chicago, Illinois
Fundraising in Chciago, Illinois
Opening Campaign office in Chicago, Illinois

January 19th, 1972:
Barnstorming in Rockford, Illinois
Town Hall in Elgin, Illinois
Town Hall in Peoria, Illinois

"I hear the voices of middle America loud and clear, and they are tired the talking, the promises, the pledging, the warning, and the offering that comes from a politician wishing to go to Washington. They are tired of it, because they know that politician, as soon as they go to Washington, becomes quiet, and doesn't fight for you, but fights for themselves, for special interest dollars. I pledge as President, as I've learned from being in charge of the second largest government in the country, to fight the problems that ail our country, and to fight for the ones who are in need, not for the ones that already have and demand more."

January 20th, 1972:
Meet and Greet in Page, Arizona
Meet and Greet in Kayenta, Arizona
Meet and Greet in Williams, Arizona

January 21st, 1972:
Barnstorming in Flagstaff, Arizona
Opening office in Flagstaff, Arizona
Town Hall in Holbrook, Arizona
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Megathread: Congressional Vote on the Iran Deal on: August 03, 2015, 02:40:30 pm
this many Democrats opposing probably means this fails easily.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Senate to vote on defunding Planned Parenthood on: August 03, 2015, 01:44:29 pm
No, and we'll have the second government shutdown in as many years over this. The Ted Cruz/Steve Stockman wing of the Republican Party has drawn a line in the sand, saying they'll shut the government down again if Planned Parenthood isn't defunded.

As for the abortion debate, the only problem with abortion is the fact that not enough unfit mothers are having abortions.

Stockman is not in congress anymore.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton campaign set to air their first TV ads on: August 03, 2015, 12:38:46 am
The first ad was better than the second one, but they're both fairly good at what they're aiming at.
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Post your PROMINENT 2016 Endorsements Here on: August 03, 2015, 12:18:07 am
President - Rand Paul

Governor
Kentucky - Matt Bevin (R)
Louisiana - Scott Angelle (R)
Mississippi - None
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is it just me, or does Trump seem untouchable? on: August 02, 2015, 10:03:46 pm
Voters will tire of his act in due course. Some enjoy his antics, but many of those will not really in the end want him to be POTUS. The job is just too important. Be patient. And that would be my advice to the candidates, except perhaps those trying to generate their own buzz to get into the mix, and have higher visibility. Maybe Christie will go there. They speak the same language.

It never dawns on folks that Trump may well be leading because people agree with him on the issues he emphasizes moreso than they do with other candidates, and that the issues Trump emphasized are more important to a big slice of the GOP than the issues other candidates are emphasizing.

Trump's supporters may be dissed and dismissed as "low information voters", but since Baker v. Carr, it's one-man-one-vote, regardless of the "information" level.  They know where they stand and what they want, and they are tired of the political class trot out it's approved candidates and lecturing them about what they really need.

He's even said he would support a pathway to citizenship, which is the main issue that he was emphasizing. There is no place for Trump sympathizers to go: they just like that he talks back.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/249711-trump-would-grant-good-immigrants-pathway-to-legal-status

Trump states that he would support a pathway to "legal status", not necessarily citizenship, and only for such immigrants that have "done well".

Isn't that the same thing that the Pathwayer's want? Legal status for illegal immigrants if they've worked hard? Trade Agreements are the last thing that would be possible, and that hasn't been an issue in months.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Biden Aide: Biden 90% In on: August 02, 2015, 09:47:52 pm
Plus Biden would eviscerate most if not all of the Republicans in the debates. That is facts.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is it just me, or does Trump seem untouchable? on: August 02, 2015, 09:38:19 pm
Voters will tire of his act in due course. Some enjoy his antics, but many of those will not really in the end want him to be POTUS. The job is just too important. Be patient. And that would be my advice to the candidates, except perhaps those trying to generate their own buzz to get into the mix, and have higher visibility. Maybe Christie will go there. They speak the same language.

It never dawns on folks that Trump may well be leading because people agree with him on the issues he emphasizes moreso than they do with other candidates, and that the issues Trump emphasized are more important to a big slice of the GOP than the issues other candidates are emphasizing.

Trump's supporters may be dissed and dismissed as "low information voters", but since Baker v. Carr, it's one-man-one-vote, regardless of the "information" level.  They know where they stand and what they want, and they are tired of the political class trot out it's approved candidates and lecturing them about what they really need.

He's even said he would support a pathway to citizenship, which is the main issue that he was emphasizing. There is no place for Trump sympathizers to go: they just like that he talks back.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Biden Aide: Biden 90% In on: August 02, 2015, 09:35:34 pm
People suggesting Biden would be running because of bad blood between Obamas and the Clintons is just wrong and trying to create drama that doesn't exist.. Biden is very much a friend of both circles. He would be running on his own, not because of any animosity towards anyone.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Election 2020 - Ducey V. Clinton V. Sanders on: August 02, 2015, 08:18:20 pm
Shouldn't the Senate be 59-41 because it would have been 52-48 after 2016 because of the R+1 in NM?

John Sanchez was the Senator, but Hector Balderas actually won the seat in November, so it's 58-42.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Election 2020 - Ducey V. Clinton V. Sanders on: August 02, 2015, 03:45:07 pm
Events of 2019, Part IV



GOP Primary (10/31)
23% Rauner
16% Gardner
14% Ducey
11% Paul
7% Abbott
6% Portman
5% Cruz
2% Thune
2% Haley
1% Gillespie
1% Santorum
0% Bentley

DEM Poll (10/31)
68% Clinton
22% Sanders

September
- The next two Republican debates occur, with similar results: Abbott flatlines as he fumbles answers on just about every subject, Gardner shines as a strong television presence, and Ducey becomes a strong vocal conservative voice. But as the spotlight moves away from Abbott, Rauner hones his debate performances and becomes tactile and aggressive on the stage. The first debate showed Rauner at his worst, gaffee-y, confused, and unable to defend himself. Clearly his debate coaches worked wonders in the last couple of weeks.

- The first Democratic debate occurs at the end of the month, with Clinton attempting to take the high road after months of brutal attacks on Senator Sanders. Sanders wants a confrontation, which Clinton doesn't give him. The debate is largely seen as a draw, though Sanders gave more specifics. However, a draw does no favors for Sanders, as he sees his numbers decline once again against the unpopular President Clinton.

- Despite a strong television presence, Gardner continues to face issues on the donor side. Seeing Rauner as both more conservative and more viable, there seems to be a mass exodus of establishment donors to the Rauner campaign. Gardner, never being quite the donor hog as some other candidates, attempts to do the same level of face time as Rauner. However, Gardner surprises donors when he shows a lack of craveness by standing on immigration. Support is dripping for the promising Senator of Colorado.

- Protests on the border occur after the murder of a family of four by an illegal immigrant. Candidates attempt to put their stamp on it, but one notable candidate who does a good job navigating it without seeming overly political is Governor Doug Ducey, the most anti-immigrant candidate of the field, who gives a solemn address on the issue and makes the other people seem like needy politicos. Ducey's favorables rise strongly in recent polls, but he still faces an uphill battle thanks to his issues with big money being occupied by Ted Cruz (who somehow is still in the race despite constantly failing to grab headlines.)

- The economic slowdown continues, with unemployment rising to 7%. President Clinton demands action on the economy, but action out of the Republican congress seems... slow. It will be a while before we can see if Congress makes any active move on the issue.

October
- Fundraising Numbers - Abbott's belly flop into the race has made his campaign numbers shrink significantly, underraising Ted Cruz and even Nikki Haley (who continues to post significant numbers despite being a nonentity in the race). Rauner laps the field, raising an astounding $35 Million (which is nevertheless dwarfed by Hillary Clinton's $80 Million). Gardner, despite noted troubles in September, comes in at number 2 with $20 Million. Ducey edges Paul and Portman (whose haul is only partial, thanks to a late start) for third, and the rest of the field falls below $10 Million. The most hilarious haul is, once again, Robert Bentley, he raises a meager $50,000. This places Rauner immediately as the frontrunner for the GOP nomination, despite lackluster approvals in Illinois.

- Rob Portman, struggling for relevance in the race despite strong fundraising hauls and decent debate appearances, runs to the right on the budget, proposing the fair tax, and to the right on foreign policy, where he calls an invasion of North Korea to call for order in the region and getting tough with Iran and Terrorists in Egypt. Most candidates agreed to the second half, but thought North Korea needed its own affairs taken care of. Despite the initial headline, most of the candidates co-opt his position, with the exception of Rand Paul of course.

- With Thune's campaign for Majority Leader President going rather poorly, he puts the laser focus on Iowa, where he plans to spend most of remaining funds. His first major Iowa event since this declaration does not go well, as an Iowa voter tries to get into a shouting match with him over corporations.

- Senator Cruz finally gets some attention in this race, but not the right attention. Cruz loudly questions whether Chelsea Clinton is actually Bill's child, attempting to stir up some birther type movement. In the beginning, this helps the candidate somewhat as some love this kind of red meat, but after its made clear that Cruz is being a douche, he settles back into irrelevance.

- An interview with Levi Sanders with Katie Couric reveals Levi's reservations about his father becoming President, particularly because of his relative absence as a father. Bernie rejects this notion, but this is the first sort of thing that sticks with Sanders. As his poll numbers begin to slide, Bernie contemplates his future as a candidate.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Mark Everson being ignored unfairly? on: August 02, 2015, 02:50:35 pm
Because nobody cares about his hodge podge mess of bad ideas.

What actually are his views?

One of them is re-instating the draft. Nuff said.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Mark Everson being ignored unfairly? on: August 02, 2015, 02:07:56 pm
Because nobody cares about his hodge podge mess of bad ideas.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Post random maps here on: August 01, 2015, 05:19:53 pm
Trump 2016



Businessman Donald Trump (I-NY)/Former Governor Sarah Palin (D-AK) - 39%, 354 EV's
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Governor Terry McAuliffe (D-VA) - 32%, 132 EV's
Former Governor Jeb Bush (R-FL)/Businesswoman Carly Fiorina (R-CA) - 28%, 52 EV's

And... We're Back in 2020
*Republicans narrowly endorsed Booker/Gillibrand



Senator Cory Booker (D-NJ)/Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) - 56%, 433 EV's
President Donald Trump (I-NY)/Businessman Donald Trump Jr. (I-CT) - 42%, 105 EV's
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: List of Alternate Presidents on: August 01, 2015, 04:21:50 pm
44. Barack Obama (D-IL)/Joe Biden (D-DE) - 2009-2017
45. Donald Trump (I-NY)/Sarah Palin (R-AK) - 2017-2021
46. Cory Booker (D-NJ)/Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) - 2021-2026
47. Ted Cruz (R-TX)/Jim DeMint (R-SC) 2026-2027


In 2026, The country breaks down into utter despair, as Senator Ted Cruz stages a coup of the White House, forcing unpopular President Cory Booker and Vice President Kirsten Gillibrand to resign in disgrace. President Ted Cruz calls for the expansion of America in Mexico and Canada. But after his rapid ascension to the White House, his unlikableness quick gains him many enemies, and he is assassinated a year into his tenure as Grand Overlord. The country recovers from the error in its ways, and forces several large constitutional changes. One of those changes - the President is elected every two years, and the Senate selects a Vice President.

The Republican Party dies after Cruz's tenure - with several faction parties representing the varying interests of the GOP continuing to live on, but seperated. This causes the Democrats to sweep elections for two decades. The right of center finally coaleses around the Conservative Party in 2033, but have few successes thanks to the memory of Cruz. It takes President Ben Williamson, a policy head with a knack for pissing people off, and Vice President (also Senate Majority Leader) Rodney Douglas III, a very corrupt man, to send the people wanting a return, and Williamson's vain attempt at a fourth term really set people off.

48. Julian Castro (D-TX)/Gary Peters (D-MI) 2027-2031
49. Jeff Jackson (D-NC)/Janet Martinez (D-FL) 2031-2037
50. Janet Martinez (D-FL)/Mark Hruska (D-MN) 2037-2041
51. Ben Williamson (D-PA)/Rodney Douglas III (D-NY) 2041-2045
51. Ben Williamson (D-PA)/Mark Paul (C-OH) 2045-2047
52. Hector Salvatore (C-TX)/Mark Paul (C-OH) 2047-2051
52. Hector Salvatore (C-TX)/Jennifer Rogers (D-CA) 2051-2053
53. Jennifer Rogers (D-CA)/Daniel Castro (D-TX) 2053-2057
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Honest Campaign Slogans on: August 01, 2015, 03:57:34 pm
Martin O'Malley - I'm supposedly a liberal in Maryland. Isn't that good enough?
Bernie Sanders - older than sin, in it to win!
Hillary Clinton - Richard Nixon in a dress.
Lincoln Chafee - Insert some random WASP here for similar effect.
Jim Webb - Reagan Democrats, unite! (2 people show up)
Joe Biden - Finally, a candidate Pete Townshend can support!

Ted Cruz - Because, let's face it, Joe McCarthy was a communist
Donald Trump - I'm a terrific man, who is terrific, and want to fight the terrible problems that are making this country terrible because I'm terrific. And I'm worth a lot of money, by the way.
Carly Fiorina - I can do for America what I did for Hewlett-Packard - tank it.
Ben Carson - Please don't ask me about homosexuals.
Jeb Bush - Columba 2016
Rick Santorum - see Ben Carson
Mike Huckabee - see Rick Santorum, also don't ask me about the holocaust.
Marco Rubio - A young hispanic male with lots of debt. and a Presidential candidate? That's weird.
George Pataki - Geez, talk about a throwback
John Kasich - Jeb Bush in a Jon Huntsman outfit going trick or treating.
Chris Christie - You gotta tighten your belts! (picture of Christie shoving burgers into his mouth)
Scott Walker - Please don't ask me about anything.
Rand Paul - The worst dressed Presidential candidate in history.
Jim Gilmore - Doesn't even deserve one of these.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: KY-SurveyUSA: Paul+2 on: August 01, 2015, 10:44:15 am
lol SUSA. Congrats Governor Bevin.
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