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1076  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Snowe or Collins 08? on: June 21, 2005, 06:44:01 am
Anyone that believes Kerry is more moderate than Bush is either delusional or... delusional.

Hahaha that made me laugh, the irony of it all, enjoy you're narrow and isolated perception of the political spectrum you c***
1077  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: OFFICIAL Mideast Voting Booth - June 2005 on: June 17, 2005, 10:38:27 am
Prop 15: Aye
Prop 16: Aye
Prop 17: Aye
Init 08: Aye
Init 09: Aye
1078  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Official Federal Elections VOTING BOOTH, June 17-19 on: June 17, 2005, 10:29:37 am
Presidential/Vice-Presidential:

1. Siege40 (IL-VT)/Emsworth (IL-NV)
2. Harry (FL-MS)/Ebowed (FL-SC)
3. John F. Kennedy (MRLP-CA)/Ernest (MRLP-HI)
4. King (U-VT)/John Dibble (L-GA)


Mideast senate

1. Kodratos (FL-IL)
2. Masterjedi (ACA-WI)
1079  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Harry Speech: Cigarette Tax on: June 16, 2005, 08:56:04 am
Cigarette tax increase: Say hello to a black market and the crime that comes with it.
FEDERAL ban on smoking in 'public' areas: See signature, and so much for region's rights, eh Harry?

I think we're the only smokers in this forum...

Actually, I'm not a smoker - it's a rather expensive and disgusting habit, though I don't mind when people do it around me occassionally(most are considerate about their second hand smoke getting in my face) - I just have a healthy respect for private property rights.

It sure is expensive, and it is pretty disgusting, but I'm quite a light smoker anyway... It does arguably have it's benefits though.

I'm one of those people who feels uncomfortable smoking around people without their permission, and thank you for respecting my rights. Wink

Well that just leaves me, so the Feds won't get much tax revenue from this...
1080  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Harry Speech: Cigarette Tax on: June 16, 2005, 08:49:48 am
What if there were a way to increase government revenue, and also improve the health of Atlasia?  Well, there is.  If elected president, I will pursue a federal 50-cents-a-pack tax on cigarettes.  Under this plan, Atlasia wins, no matter what smokers decide to do.  If they decide to continue smoking, Atlasia will respect the choice and gain revenue to be put in the general fund that can be used to make something good out of something bad.  If the tax drives them to quit, then Atlasia will become a healthier place.
It is not often that a win-win situation comes by for Atlasia, but this time it does.
I would also like to address smokers' rights while we're on the subject.  While I find smoking revolting, I do respect the right of people to smoke on their own property.  However, I will push for a smoking ban in all public buildings.  Studies show that second-hand smoke is just as dangerous as first hand, and a smoker does not have the right to kill the people around him.  Second-hand smoke causes cancer; it happened to a neighbor of mine, but under my leadership it won't have to happen to anyone else.
If you want a healthier Atlasia, cast your votes for Harry/Ebowed this weekend.

Although I am a (rather light) smoker, but I respect the rights of people who don't like people smoking around them. I'm not so sure if a Federal ban is really fair, but I wouldn't consider it the greatest infringement on my liberties...

I'm more concerned with the idea of your 50 cents per pack tax. Isn't that kind of tax a pretty regressive one? It will just make life more difficult for many people with low incomes who smoke, and people can't just flip a switch and give up. A lot of the time smokers are the easiest target...

Then again I imagine tabacco is a lot cheaper in the USA, and therefore atlasia. However, wouldn't it be better to put charges on the tabacco companies themselves? (I'm not sure what form that would take but I'm not running for president) Of course such a move might involuntarily cause the price of cigarettes to rise, but at least that wouldn't be it's primary intention: With your scheme that is very much the case.
1081  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Harry Speech: Cigarette Tax on: June 16, 2005, 08:35:10 am
Cigarette tax increase: Say hello to a black market and the crime that comes with it.
FEDERAL ban on smoking in 'public' areas: See signature, and so much for region's rights, eh Harry?

I think we're the only smokers in this forum...
1082  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Fantasy Avatars on: June 16, 2005, 08:15:31 am
Any chance of an ILP-MD avatar?

You aren't in the ILP honey, though you are definitely welcome.

OH I will be... I wasn't sure if I can re-register so close to Federal elections. Can I??
1083  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Fantasy Avatars on: June 16, 2005, 08:10:34 am


I'll try to make the specialty ones some time tomorrow.

Thanks very much for the ILP-MD!
1084  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: only black people vote in this line up on: June 15, 2005, 10:48:29 am
AHAHAahahahaHAHAahAHaAhaHaAHahaahhahahahahaAhaahAhaAhaAhahahaahahahah

basically, you must live in an isolated delusional world... or you're just a c*nt
1085  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Fantasy Avatars on: June 15, 2005, 10:42:39 am
Any chance of an ILP-MD avatar?
1086  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Recorded June 2005 Presidential Debate on: June 15, 2005, 10:22:02 am
In MP3 format:

http://www.n00bshop.com/debate.mp3

Beware: this is a large file at about 40 minutes long. You may want to download before you play. Enjoy!

NOTE: To download, right-click and click "Save As" or a similar option.

Good work, everything feels much more realistic and professional this way!

You're voice is much older sounding than I imagined lol
1087  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Right to Life League Voting Booth on: June 12, 2005, 09:24:00 am

We believe that birth begins at conception

Surely you mean "life" rather than "birth"...
1088  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Facts About Sweden on: June 07, 2005, 12:35:18 pm
Yay another thread that allows the same group of people to have another hackneyed debate about the same f***king thing (which also allows them to claim that country x is inferior).

None of you are even trying to be objective, none of you are even bothering to compare like with like, all of you are cherry picking whatever statistics prop up you're arguements, most of you then proceed to take that out of context and spin it around for all it's worth... etc. etc. etc.

Roll Eyes

Thank you, Al.
1089  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Facts About Sweden on: June 07, 2005, 12:33:44 pm
You need a different party to shake things up sometimes, to keep everything healthy.

Good point, i agree
1090  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: War as a Wealth Redestribution Scheme on: June 07, 2005, 12:16:33 pm
To be fair, he only preaches spending other people's money.
Correct Philip, and thanks for pointing that out. 
In other words, a hypocrite. lol

No, I'm only moderately well off.  In fact the extent of my income is hardly different from yours - I just don't have to work to get it. 

The real source of money for redistribution will naturally be those that have most of it - the extremely rich.



that is the problem with liberalism....it is always 'other people' (ie 'the rich') that should be picking up the tab for the silly programs they advocate.

And the problem with people like you is that, despite that there are clearly potentially rectifiable problems caused by an economy which we all affect and are effected by, you believe it's reasonable to declare that you need not be concerned because you don't care.

Yet you go after a few people  who can at least show some concern, although they don't really practise what they preach... So you're not a hypocrite like they might be, but you're not exactly better are you?

*And please don't use the attitudes of Opebo as an prime example of liberal hypocrisy, you'd have no advantage whatsoever if you weren't talking to a possibly hypocritical liberal. I'm sure you think there are far, far more of them. You probably don't meet a lot of liberal teachers on the internet, or liberal charity workers, (or many people with a job at all) on the internet really do you? Why bother with such easy targets?
1091  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: British Concentration Camps on: June 07, 2005, 12:14:42 pm
erm... sorry

1092  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: British Concentration Camps on: June 07, 2005, 12:13:22 pm
Yep that stuff was horrific. A lot of people over here thought that as well.

And at the time, I doubt that many people would've known what those camps were like at all.
1093  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: most overrated current poltiician on: June 06, 2005, 09:58:58 am
George Osbourne

I got that one Cheesy
1094  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Buckle up in Vermont! Or, your tax dollars at work. on: June 06, 2005, 09:54:39 am
How about just not having any of these signs, or seatbelt laws for that matter?

Because it would slow roads down if there were more crash victims smashing through windscreens...
1095  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Liberal paper publishes favorable article on George Galloway on: June 06, 2005, 09:17:03 am
He's a raving Communist.

And a hypocrital one at that. Spends all his time in a villa in Portugal and has what could be called a taste for the high life.

That's one thing I don't likea bout him, but he's not *quite* a Communist, but he's left-wing enough to be hypocritical. Nothing wrong with having a villa somewhere tho...
1096  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Liberal paper publishes favorable article on George Galloway on: June 06, 2005, 09:10:10 am
man, I'm getting frustrated with DU. There's about 10 200+ flame war threads on Galloway and loads of folks are showing true believer syndrome.

There are several categories from what I see:

1-People who simply flat out do not like Galloway. This includes myself.
2-People who do like him for the things he's said about Bush and the war but admit to having some reservations about him. I can respect this view.
3-People who say things like "well I know there is some dodgy stuff about him but all I care about is that he kicked Norm Coleman's ass and told the truth that no one in Congress was able to, etc." Basically that they'll support anyone who hates Bush and opposes the war.
4-The complete kool-aid drinkers who worship the man as a God and refuse to take any criticism of him into account because he blasted Bush and the war. Whenever someone posts a criticism of him they reply with something like "Quit posting the right wing talking points and drinking the neoCON kool-aid (quite ironic that they accuse the anti-Galloway folks of being kool-aid drinkers), this man speaks TRUTH 2 POWER" or when someone basically says he was more than anti-war and basically a friend and supporter of Saddam they reply with some sort of red herring like "The neoCONS supported Saddam for many years and now continue to support thugs like Musharraf, Karimov and Sharon today, all they care about is the advancement of American imperialism and corporate interests, blah blah blah" which is a valid point if arguing with a true neocon or war supporter but rather pointless against someone who hates Bush just as much as they do. These types are starting to drive me insane.

I'd be number 2, but I did think his speech against Coleman was good, but I was very suprised by that. Maybe replace "some" with "many". The speech isn't a vindication of him as a whole.

Lot's of the DUers ought to know that many neocons did oppose or at least criticize Sadamm Hussein - even in the 1980's - Paul Wolfovitz was among them I believe. It was more the Republican establishment (GHW Bush and Bob Dole for example) who were unwilling to condemn, and often therefore support, the Iraqi regime.
1097  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Liberal paper publishes favorable article on George Galloway on: June 06, 2005, 08:58:56 am
He is an admitted far-left extremist with disturbing ties to dictatorial regimes that violate fundamental human rights.
1.) Replace "an admitted" to "from my point of view"
2.) Change "disturbing" to "possible".

Quote from: htmldon
This action occurred after a meeting between Galloway and Saddam where the member of Parliament was giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
You ought to mention the meeting was in late 2002, kind Implies that it was during the war otherwise...

Quote from: htmldon
This wasn’t his first rise in support of the Iraqi dictator. In 1994, he had another meeting with Saddam and hailed him saying “Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability.”
Make it clear though that the meeting in 1994 which he said that famously over-quoted statement-which-he-could-have-said-for-any-reason, was the first, also that the other in 2002 was the Second. Of two. Kinda makes it sound like there were more...

Quote from: htmldon
In 2005, he carpetbagged his way from Scotland all the way to the inner-city London district of Bethennial, Green, and Bow. 
It's "Bethnal" Green and Bow, I hope you've already send that letter, might make you sound like someone ignorant of British politics Wink

Quote from: htmldon
Galloway inflamed the latent anti-semitic racial tensions in the area to defeat Oona King, a black Jewish Labour Party member.
Are you implying that HE intentionally inflamed the lated anti-semitic racial tensions in the area in order to unseat Oona King?? Did it have nothing to do with the fact that  in the European elections Respect won a plurality of the vote in the Tower Hamlets ward, and the consituency within it which had a more than half Muslim population made it probably the only seat he had any chance of winning?

p.s. On reading this, sorry to sound so pedantic. I'm no fan of Galloway, but I can't help but notice he's always always such an obvious, and easy target for so much defamation. Galloway is no more than a bit of an egotistic cock, that's it. I hope nobody minds if I'm going to play Devil's advocate for a bit Wink

1098  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Bush Pushing Global Democratic Revolution on: June 06, 2005, 07:56:55 am
It bothers me to no end how conservatives and Republicans have captured the idealism of the American people, offering a compelling vision that captures the imagination while liberals and Democrats have become basically the grouchy scolds who can only criticize but not offer up any compelling vision of our own that could at least equal the idealism that is inspired by President Bush:   

Bush Pushes Global Vision
# Spreading democratic reform has become a top U.S. priority, at times trumping urgent issues.

By Tyler Marshall, Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON — President Bush's ambitious vision of global democratic reform has begun to dominate the administration's foreign affairs agenda, in some cases pushing aside urgent international issues.

So far, the president's plan has been driven mainly by high-level rhetoric, symbolic gestures and a handful of modestly funded development programs. But collectively, this mix has started to shift the focus in relations with key nations.

In the four months since Bush unveiled the approach in his second inaugural address, nearly every meeting with foreign officials and many of the changes taking place within the Bush administration, including several key appointments, has reflected the priority of expanding the boundaries of democracy.

By now, the presidential vision even has its own buzz phrase: "practical idealism," a reference to the policy's underlying premise that in a post-Sept. 11 world, America's national security is tied directly to the spread of free and open societies everywhere, including the Middle East.

Although few foreign policy specialists interviewed for this article questioned the president's personal sincerity, some dismissed his plan as little more than fantasy. Others expressed doubt that the U.S. had the credibility to advance such ambitious reforms — especially in the Islamic world.

Whatever the eventual outcome, there is evidence of initial effects.

"People in the Middle East already see it as a very powerful initiative," said Walter Russell Mead, an expert on America's role in the world at the Council on Foreign Relations. "A lot of people are beginning to wonder if American foreign policy isn't in the midst of a fundamental change."

link


Interesting, but bear in mind that most of what George Bush says in his speeches is meaningless rhetoric, like many speeches by many people.

On the other hand, of course US policy in the Middle East could have accidential democratizing effects, and I hope it does. If so it would be a justification for that area of US foreign policy despite it having some obvious dodgy motivations.

However, I don't believe for one second that the Bush administration is pushing for a global democratic revolution, and I'd be distrustful of anyone who talks in such grandiose terms. This is a very big and infinitely complex world, not a bloody computer game!
1099  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: This is what a "liberal" Muslim country is like on: June 06, 2005, 07:41:55 am
Look, has anybody ever considered that whilst the rise of fundamentalist Islam is very much a rejection of the "West", it is also very much a reaction against the ideology of "modernisation by Westernization". This is quite an important thing to consider.

We can't look at other countries and cultures in terms of how advanced or backward they are compared to our own. BRTD can dig up any article about how unpleasant some other culture is. It's practically meaningless and completely unconstructive, if people keep scorning other cultures without any understanding (I'm not saying I have a great one, but I like to keep an open mind until I can KNOW something for sure) it becomes little more than small-minded fear and hatred of another nation or culture, and it's peoples' - Moreover, it pisses them off back in return. And I don't CARE "who started it" Wink

I don't know if there's some kind of a threat of a "Clash of civilizations",   but I bet Huntingdon would be very interested to hear that even some sex-crazed lefties are now arbritarily attacking Islam...

(I think I need a cigarette after this)
1100  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: This is what a "liberal" Muslim country is like on: June 06, 2005, 07:07:28 am
In the US, seeing a woman's ankles was considered taboo a hundred years ago.

You can't expect Muslim culture to advance three hundred years in thirty, let alone ten.

Well, you can help them along with verbal abuse, trade sanctions, and allowing women from muslim lands automatic immigration as refugees from human rights abuse, while disbarring muslim men from immigration.

Are you trying to see how many cultural and religious tensions could be horribly exacerbated in one go?
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