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1076  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Simon Wiesenthal dies on: September 26, 2005, 11:00:47 pm
A great man who devoted his life to hunt down the worse criminals the world has ever seen. He will be missed.

Coming from someone with such a bigoted, hateful sig, anyone normal should consider that an insult.

Lets consider your statement based on my sig. It is true that the Palestinians want control of Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem and I'm in favor of such a move. I feal the only peace that can exist between Israel and the Palestinians is if an independent Palestinian state is formed. However, I wouldn't give the Palestinians Jerusalem, nor would I give it to Israel. Jerusalem should be its own city state much like the Vatican, but open to all faiths. Having the Israelis control one half and the Palestinians controling the other leads only to possible conflict. Now I know I don't post much, but to claim that I am bigoted, hateful and unsympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians is just plain lazy. I've always supported a free and independent Palestinian state.
The sig itself is in regards to Palestinian terror groups. I'll assume that you understand the difference between a terror group and an everyday Palestinian. However, given your reply I could be wrong. Do you not agree that groups like Hamas and Hezbollah not only want control of the before mentioned territories, but the complete destuction of Israel? I'm curious to your answer, because that is what the sig is referring to. Is it because you want Israel destroyed? Are you anti-semitic, or perhaps a combination of both?

You've made your point, but it's not particularly surprising that people might jump to similar kinds of conclusions that Angel of death has from your sig. Simply because a great deal of people on the internet who spread such cartoons generally tend to represent rather militant opinions.
1077  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: jfern v. AuH20 on: September 23, 2005, 10:52:37 am
jfern

I thought he'd lose though. I'm glad to see he's winning.

I didn't know AuH20 had such extreme views. He's never seemed that way to me.

You haven't seen his posts on WWII then.

Can you give us any quotes?
1078  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Social Ideology on: September 23, 2005, 10:51:47 am
...also we don't support reverse racism or trying to give other minority groups advantages over us. 

I know you've probably got a strong opinion on the issue of affirmative action or whatever, fair enough, but using catchy-but-dumb sound bites like "reverse racism" just sounds so sweeping and idiotic (especially if you hadn't heard it from anyone else and actually thought it up).
1079  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Philip vs. Naso on: September 23, 2005, 10:37:16 am
Write in: George W. bush.

That's what it's come to. Ha
1080  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: jfern v. AuH20 on: September 23, 2005, 10:34:57 am
This poll could also be called: Ted Kennedy vs. Strom Thurmond

Except for rather general views on a handful of issues, I seriously doubt Ted Kennedy is anyway nearly as left-wing as the likes of Jfern. They're probably similarly partisan though.

I don't know much about how Goldie compares to Strom... Sure don't like Goldie from what I've seen of his posts though.
1081  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Worst Democratic President on: September 18, 2005, 12:55:07 pm
1. LBJ
2. Wilson
3. Clinton
1082  About this Site / The Atlas / Re:Gender of people on this forum on: July 04, 2005, 09:29:45 am
Social history is the study of culture trends, living conditions, etc.  I agree that it's important, I just prefer political history or military history.  Social history often consists of reading a book that contains nothing but graphs and tables and various mind-numbing statistics, and then siting in class with the professor saying, "and wasn't that an interesting book?  what do you all think about the fact that 13% of women in York in 1513 wore brown dresses and that 16% percent of those ate fresh water fish!"

There are some very interesting qualitiative approaches to social history, there's a lot from the "Mass Observation" project in Britain between the 1930s and 50s. It even included amphropological studies of people (usually done without their knowledge, the people who carried it out were rather eccentric) on the street, in pubs etc.

Records were made of how people walk(!), what people say, how they spoke, their opinions and much much more. Many sources were written by those being observed, including their dreams.

The archives are huge and are stored in my University (Sussex). I need to go into whichever bunker they're in, they seem to make fascinating reading. It can provide some fascinating insights: M-O predicted the Labour general election victory of 1945 a year before, when such an idea seemed laughable.

Basically, social history can be more than mindnumbing statistics (but it isn't usually). Then again, I'm also a big fan of politcal, economic and military history too. I try not to get too stuck in one field.
1083  About this Site / The Atlas / Re:Gender of people on this forum on: July 04, 2005, 09:16:37 am
I don't even follow sports, and I think politics is ALL in the minutiae. Possibly explains why I've never had a girlfriend...

There had better be politically aware, reasonably attractive Jewish girls in college next year! Even a liberal one... she'd come around in time...

Taking that kind of patronizing attitude to peoples' opinions often causes people to reinforce them?
1084  About this Site / The Atlas / Re:International members on: July 04, 2005, 08:02:40 am
Yes, and we saw how well the "great society" worked, lol.

So how did YOU see it?
1085  About this Site / The Atlas / Re:International members on: July 04, 2005, 07:39:06 am
Markdel. You're right that makes lot of sense to be conservative in Europe and Democrat in USA. BUT in European mainstream politics isn't soooo far left from yours. It was it before cold war finished. (In Finland Communists got about 20 percent of vote and likewise in France, Italy. In last election they got only 1 percent.)

Also moderate socialist parties were much more left in cold war decades than nowadays. Particularly British Labour Party was very extreme left-wing. However, after collapse of socialist planned economy whole political scale has moved to the right, BUT YES Europe is still much more leftist or liberal than America.

I agree that SOME of European media is anti-american, but many of them aren't. Biggest Finnish newspaper for example is fairly pro-america. (But of course they can criticize American policies in constructive way and I think that they support Democrats)

If I had grown up in USA, I think I would be republican. But I have grown up in Finnish welfare state and that makes me what I am.

I'm conservative in Finland, because we have too much taxes (average is about 35-40) and especially too open-handed social security. And most important reason is that many Finnish people are so envious that they have little tolerance about wealthy people (This thing is getting better, however) and I am also fairly social conservative and patriotic. (I'm against abortion, but my party doesn't)

BUT I strongly support to principle of universal healthcare and this issue makes me very much left liberal in USA scale. Our universal system works well and I think that about human health there are no room to selfishness. Universal doesn't mean nationalization, we have strong private healthcare also, but everyone has equal and free acces to most first-rate public services.

I also think that in USA wealthiest people are able to pay little more taxes for poorest people. It doesn't matter have you 2 or 1,5  million dollar in year. Moderate welfare model ensures some equilibrium in society. And with it we get lower crime-rate in Europe.

And maybe there are education issue also. In Finland  university studies are free for all who can penetrate to tests. This ensures that all gifted people are able to learn and give their skills to economy growth etc.  

I think you have a very reasonable points, you seem to have a much better understanding of the political spectrum than many people pn this board.

I think the Labour party membership could only have been counted as extreme left in the early 1980s, with the infiltration of the Trotskyite "militant tendancy", the party platform itself was also very left-wing then, especially by Western standards.
1086  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: OFFICIAL Voting Booth - District 1 Special Runoff on: July 03, 2005, 12:35:43 pm
LiberalPA (Ind Lib - PA)
1087  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Voter Map on: June 26, 2005, 04:51:34 pm




The numbers are a bit shaky, i'll edit them as I go, but it'd be roughly like this.

And this would be the 2004 election result...
1088  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Voter Map on: June 26, 2005, 04:15:56 pm




This is what the EVs would be if there was a similar population distribution in the USA. Interesting.

The numbers are a bit shaky, i'll edit them as I go, but it'd be roughly like this.
1089  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: OFFICIAL Voting Booth - District 1 Special, June 2005 on: June 26, 2005, 03:28:05 pm
District 1 Senate:
2. LiberalPA (Ind Lib - PA)
1090  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Snowe or Collins 08? on: June 21, 2005, 06:44:01 am
Anyone that believes Kerry is more moderate than Bush is either delusional or... delusional.

Hahaha that made me laugh, the irony of it all, enjoy you're narrow and isolated perception of the political spectrum you c***
1091  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: OFFICIAL Mideast Voting Booth - June 2005 on: June 17, 2005, 10:38:27 am
Prop 15: Aye
Prop 16: Aye
Prop 17: Aye
Init 08: Aye
Init 09: Aye
1092  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Official Federal Elections VOTING BOOTH, June 17-19 on: June 17, 2005, 10:29:37 am
Presidential/Vice-Presidential:

1. Siege40 (IL-VT)/Emsworth (IL-NV)
2. Harry (FL-MS)/Ebowed (FL-SC)
3. John F. Kennedy (MRLP-CA)/Ernest (MRLP-HI)
4. King (U-VT)/John Dibble (L-GA)


Mideast senate

1. Kodratos (FL-IL)
2. Masterjedi (ACA-WI)
1093  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Harry Speech: Cigarette Tax on: June 16, 2005, 08:56:04 am
Cigarette tax increase: Say hello to a black market and the crime that comes with it.
FEDERAL ban on smoking in 'public' areas: See signature, and so much for region's rights, eh Harry?

I think we're the only smokers in this forum...

Actually, I'm not a smoker - it's a rather expensive and disgusting habit, though I don't mind when people do it around me occassionally(most are considerate about their second hand smoke getting in my face) - I just have a healthy respect for private property rights.

It sure is expensive, and it is pretty disgusting, but I'm quite a light smoker anyway... It does arguably have it's benefits though.

I'm one of those people who feels uncomfortable smoking around people without their permission, and thank you for respecting my rights. Wink

Well that just leaves me, so the Feds won't get much tax revenue from this...
1094  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Harry Speech: Cigarette Tax on: June 16, 2005, 08:49:48 am
What if there were a way to increase government revenue, and also improve the health of Atlasia?  Well, there is.  If elected president, I will pursue a federal 50-cents-a-pack tax on cigarettes.  Under this plan, Atlasia wins, no matter what smokers decide to do.  If they decide to continue smoking, Atlasia will respect the choice and gain revenue to be put in the general fund that can be used to make something good out of something bad.  If the tax drives them to quit, then Atlasia will become a healthier place.
It is not often that a win-win situation comes by for Atlasia, but this time it does.
I would also like to address smokers' rights while we're on the subject.  While I find smoking revolting, I do respect the right of people to smoke on their own property.  However, I will push for a smoking ban in all public buildings.  Studies show that second-hand smoke is just as dangerous as first hand, and a smoker does not have the right to kill the people around him.  Second-hand smoke causes cancer; it happened to a neighbor of mine, but under my leadership it won't have to happen to anyone else.
If you want a healthier Atlasia, cast your votes for Harry/Ebowed this weekend.

Although I am a (rather light) smoker, but I respect the rights of people who don't like people smoking around them. I'm not so sure if a Federal ban is really fair, but I wouldn't consider it the greatest infringement on my liberties...

I'm more concerned with the idea of your 50 cents per pack tax. Isn't that kind of tax a pretty regressive one? It will just make life more difficult for many people with low incomes who smoke, and people can't just flip a switch and give up. A lot of the time smokers are the easiest target...

Then again I imagine tabacco is a lot cheaper in the USA, and therefore atlasia. However, wouldn't it be better to put charges on the tabacco companies themselves? (I'm not sure what form that would take but I'm not running for president) Of course such a move might involuntarily cause the price of cigarettes to rise, but at least that wouldn't be it's primary intention: With your scheme that is very much the case.
1095  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Harry Speech: Cigarette Tax on: June 16, 2005, 08:35:10 am
Cigarette tax increase: Say hello to a black market and the crime that comes with it.
FEDERAL ban on smoking in 'public' areas: See signature, and so much for region's rights, eh Harry?

I think we're the only smokers in this forum...
1096  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Fantasy Avatars on: June 16, 2005, 08:15:31 am
Any chance of an ILP-MD avatar?

You aren't in the ILP honey, though you are definitely welcome.

OH I will be... I wasn't sure if I can re-register so close to Federal elections. Can I??
1097  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Fantasy Avatars on: June 16, 2005, 08:10:34 am


I'll try to make the specialty ones some time tomorrow.

Thanks very much for the ILP-MD!
1098  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: only black people vote in this line up on: June 15, 2005, 10:48:29 am
AHAHAahahahaHAHAahAHaAhaHaAHahaahhahahahahaAhaahAhaAhaAhahahaahahahah

basically, you must live in an isolated delusional world... or you're just a c*nt
1099  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Fantasy Avatars on: June 15, 2005, 10:42:39 am
Any chance of an ILP-MD avatar?
1100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Recorded June 2005 Presidential Debate on: June 15, 2005, 10:22:02 am
In MP3 format:

http://www.n00bshop.com/debate.mp3

Beware: this is a large file at about 40 minutes long. You may want to download before you play. Enjoy!

NOTE: To download, right-click and click "Save As" or a similar option.

Good work, everything feels much more realistic and professional this way!

You're voice is much older sounding than I imagined lol
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