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1076  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: SUPERIMPERIALIST AMERICA ERA TWO: Two Paths on: January 08, 2005, 12:17:59 pm
I'm only nit-picking (this is very, very good!) but the Wales and Scotland, and parts of Northern England would be more likely to vote for left-wing candidates that would the south of England. Although London might be enough to tilt the South thaty way.
1077  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Who Makes the Best Post/Who is the Smartest on: January 06, 2005, 01:06:08 pm
I'm a newbie, but so far Al, Walter Mitty, Peter Bell and Akno21 have impressed me.

Sorry if I've left anyone out, I'm certain there are many others.
1078  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK 2005- Minor Party Prospects on: January 06, 2005, 12:38:59 pm

Natural Law- I *think* they're anti-abortion


I dunno anything about Natural Law, but the "Pro-Life alliance" field some candidates (lose deposits). I *think* George Galloway is anti abortion, but I'm not sure if there;s anything to do with it in the respect platfrom.
1079  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: If Rudy Giuliani ran, would you vote for him? on: January 06, 2005, 09:50:32 am
NYC mayor Guiliani: Nah.

Post 9/11 Guiliani: Maybe (we all respected him then).

Post 2004 RNC Guiliani: Heavans no!
1080  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: If Rudy Giuliani ran, would you vote for him? on: January 06, 2005, 09:47:57 am
Nah
1081  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / If Robertson won the 1988 primary on: January 05, 2005, 06:39:02 pm
What would the map look like had Pat Robertson won the 1988 Republican primary?

(This is assuming Dukakis is the Dem candidate, but feel free to suggest other Dems such as Tsongas and Gore)
1082  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: What percentage of Kerry voters are socialist? on: January 04, 2005, 12:23:32 pm
Truly socialists, maybe 10% at most.  Philip's definition of socialist maybe 67%.

I think I can agree on that.

+5 sanity points to You
1083  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Are the United States socialist? on: January 04, 2005, 12:21:17 pm
You've hit the nail on the head!

It's good to hear some sanity at last Smiley
1084  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should prisoners be allowed to vote? on: January 04, 2005, 11:43:33 am
Could their votes really make much difference?

(not rhetorical, I actually don't know. Somebody please answer!)
1085  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Have you ever considered your party could be wrong? on: January 04, 2005, 10:28:32 am

Since you didn't provide a substanitive argument on the Constitution, I'll just assume you're an idiot, since that's what I've been doing for a while now anyway.

That's because you constantly use the constitution as a defense mechanism so that you can discredit and write-off anybody who disagrees with you.

From what little I know, the constitution was designed to establish and protect a democratic system of government, not to be used as a propganda tool by the likes of you.
1086  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Have you ever considered your party could be wrong? on: January 04, 2005, 10:24:45 am
Since you didn't provide a substanitive argument on the Constitution, I'll just assume you're an idiot, since that's what I've been doing for a while now anyway.

That's because you constantly use the constitution as a defense mechanism so that you can discredit and write-off anybody who disagrees with you.

From what little I know, the constitution was designed to establish and protect a democratic system of government, not to be used as a propganda tool by the likes of you.
1087  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: A. Lincoln (Fascist-IL) vs Franklin D. Roosevelt (Socialist-NY) on: January 04, 2005, 08:50:32 am
Lincoln wasn't a fascist and FDR wasn't a socialist. One has to have a very scewed and frankly idiotic grasp of ideology to think so.
1088  Election Archive / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Do the right thing on: November 01, 2004, 06:26:41 pm
I agree with you John. Always vote with your heart and your conscience.

I agree with TheLightTouch on a 4 party system, it would cover a broader ideological range, making a more pluralist, democratic congress.
1089  Election Archive / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Political impact of OBL tape? on: October 30, 2004, 10:18:29 am
this tape is a cheap substitute for what he really wanted to do, which is stage a devastating attack on the US before the election.

I agree.


This is not a man who understands US politics.  He expected the Sept. 11th attacks to lead the US to crumble, and the opposite has really happened - we went on the offensive in a way that we never would have in the absence of the attacks, and the effect on al-Qaeda has been devastating.  If he wished this tape to help Kerry, the real result will probably be the opposite, to a modest degree.

But I do disagree about that. Nobody, not even Bin Laden, would ever seriously believe for a minute that a direct attack on United States soil would not be met by a military response (that WOULD have happened under Gore). Even if he would like the US to crumble, it would be the last thing he'd seriously expect. He must've hoped the US going on the offensive would spark a "holy war" (some might say it has, but I don't REALLY think so) ending in the crubling of the US (he's insane enough to think that). Of course he will never, ever win, but it's still possible he could do some pretty serious damage. I don't think it really makes much difference.

I think this video has been done to see Kerry's response, he's trying to test the man who might be his new no.1 enemy come Tuesday. Lets hope that he shall have no influence over his election either way.
1090  Election Archive / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kerry leads in Colorado, trails in Michigan & Minnesota says Zogby Tracking on: October 29, 2004, 08:36:36 am
Actually, Kerry said he wouldn't sign Kyoto

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/americas/2004/election_issues_guide/default.stm
1091  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2000 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: It's amazing Bush won. on: October 27, 2004, 09:26:47 am
The attack on 9/11 was pretty much unpreventable by 2001.

The last chance was in the airports that morning.  Other than that, things were too far along by January 2001.


3 words ATFFL:

My - Pet - Goat

Question:  If he went charging out of that classroom and to teh nearest telephone what could he have done?  Would this have miraculously stopped the plan from hitting the Pentagon?  Would he have issued orders that were not already being given?  Would thh terrorists have seen Bush was serious and all turned themselves in?

What wonder of wonders would Bush charging out of that room have done?

He is the commander in chief. The 9/11 commission report shows that had he acted within 1 minute of being told the united states was under attack the planes could have been stopped. Instead he spent 7 reading to children. I don't know about you, but I would abandon the kids and defend my country.

He had a sixty second window?  Sorry, but if he had gotten up and left immediately then he would have to be briefed and brought up to speed and he would have given the same order that was given later and what he did when he stayed in the classroom: He would have left it up to the experts to decide what to do.

There is a chain of command.  With the President out of communications leadership fell to other people, who the 9-11 commision shows acted about as well as could be expected.  The President would have deferred to the people who were trained to deal with the situation.

He had been briefed before-hand. I don't even believe he gave the order after that 7 minutes, that is when he left the classroom. And what did our commander in chief do that day. He ran!!! He flew around the country on Air Force one hiding rather than leading this nation.

What should he have done?  FLown next to the plane that wa sheading to DC and went down in PA, jumped on board it and defeated the terrorists in hand to hand combat?  WOuld make a great movie, but has no basis in anything close to reality.

He had not been briefed on what was happening.  All he knew was that 2 planes had flown into the WTC.  That is what he was told.

Again, what should he have done?  Gone back to the white house?  He can lead as well if not better from AF1 than he can from Marine 1 and inside the WH itself.

Seriously, what could he have done?  All he knew coming out of the room was that 2 planes had hit the TWC.  What action could he take?  Groundstop?  Already happening.   Try to contact all planes in the air?  Happening.

What could the President have done that was not already being done?

Regardless of what happened before the day, I agree It's petty to have a go at Bush for how he acted a few minutes when he heard the news, he is only human - just imagine how you'd react (or how you did react) if you hear such information. Such cirmcumstances are shocking and confusing and it takes a while for it to hit in - maybe a bit too long in his case but still there wouldn't have been anything he could've done that others couldn't have or weren't already doing. There weren't any secret servie running in to get him. He just had to sit there and awkwardly wait to know what the hell was going on.

I don't think some of you dems would've treated Gore with the same standards and I'm not going to treat Bush with such standards.  Gore wouldn't have been much different, and he would've retaliated and gone after Bin Laden, not just because of the fact that he'd be forced to by public pressure but becasue he would believe it to be the right thing to do. Don't forget that there was a huge wave of international sympathy and support for the US - they could do anything they want without question. What amazes me is how quickly Bush lost that consenus - that seems to me a real diplomatic failure.
1092  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2000 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: It's amazing Bush won. on: October 27, 2004, 09:04:27 am
That's just not true.

Immediately after the attack, people on the news were already debating whether Bush was "being rational" about all of this..."does it really make sense to invade another country?"..."not even the mighty Soviet Empire could beat the Afghans!"

Gore would not have invaded.

Are you so sure? You're speculating. I'm speculating too, to be objective about it, but I think the political pressure would have made him have to invade(or the Republican Congress would have declared war anyways and Gore would have had to).

I agree with what you've said. And people shouldn't forget the influence of would-be vice president Lieberman
1093  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Philip vs. Alan Keyes on: October 25, 2004, 03:09:43 pm
This is an election between Remington and Colt, if you ask me.

Seriously, we should write in my dog, Lucky.  This is why I had the banner made.

I'm writing in "Lucky", looks like a nice dog, I like German Shepards/ alsatians - but who should be the running mate? Grin
1094  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: waltermitty=extreme? partisan hack? on: October 24, 2004, 09:59:21 am
What is a hack? :$
1095  Election Archive / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who would Seinfeld characters vote for? on: October 24, 2004, 08:53:30 am
What a great subject! Cheesy

I think Jerry might be an undecided voter, he'd certainly have voted Clinton and Gore, but might be considering voting Bush this time on issues of defense. If he were to ever identify with Republicans he'd be a 'liberal Republican'  and would have voted for Guiliani.

Kramer certainly isn't a Republican, he could be anything really, I kinda doubt he's a libertarian because ... because! (they're an irrelevant party to be perfectly honest.) He might possibly be a Nader (and possibly previously Perot) voter just because of his wackiness causing him to support the third party candidate + he reads the 'independant media'. More likely than all he wouldn't vote.

To cheer you libertarians up: George Costanza is a pretty selfish guy, therefore libertarian seems like a natural choice. Haha just kidding ... just the fact that he lives in Manhatten makes him a likely democrat.

Jerry's parents: Jewish, Floridianian retirees = Democrat (although given those polling machines they might've accidentally voted for Buchanan in 2000).

George's parents: In one episode Frank says that because he wasn't born in the USA he can never become president, which caused him to never have any interest in politics "I don't want them and they don't want me!" - a definite non-voter. I haven't a clue who Estelle would vote for... possibly Georgie Wink

Can't think of others atm...

1096  Election Archive / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who would Seinfeld characters vote for? on: October 24, 2004, 08:25:56 am
Extremely rich and extremely poor people tend to be Democrats, whereas people in between tend to be Republicans.

I'd like to see some statistics proving that please, especially for your assertion that extremely rich people support the Democrats. It seems to generally be the case that among wealthier people the upper-middle class (and 'soccer mums' etc.) support the democrats rather than the richest in society.
1097  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: What states have never had presidents? on: October 24, 2004, 07:30:16 am
Wilson was not elected from Virginia, I'm pretty sure

And George Bush isn't going to die in 2009 aged 8... ;P
1098  Election Archive / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Campaign / Re: Knowing What You Know Now? on: October 06, 2004, 08:59:03 am
The war in Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror? How much of a hack are you?

OK, explain how they are related.

How much of a hack are you?

How about you actually answer the question? Or at least spew out some ill-informed jingoist garbage. (I'll expect whats more likely)
1099  Election Archive / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Campaign / Re:Bush is doomed. on: October 01, 2004, 05:26:24 am
I fell asleep during it (not because of the performance of either candidate, but because it started at 2 AM here in the UK). It didn't seem that there was any particular knock-out blow, from what I can tell after this debate things seem pretty much the way they were before. However I'd have expected this debate to be called for Bush, as according to the polls National Security is supposedly his strong point.
1100  Election Archive / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election / Re:Will Americans be called dumb if they re-elect Bush. on: September 21, 2004, 09:28:04 am
Memo to troll:  Americans give a sh**t whether or not the mighty French like us.  Got that.  If we decide to surrender, we will tap their expertise at that time.

That is all.

Don't forget unemployment.  The French are good at that.

Just shaddup, Frenchie, keep shipping the Beaujolais and the tasty cheeses, but keep your apologist politics to yourself.

Frenchie? He's clearly saying American's Don't give a sh** about what the French think, he obviously just left the word out, otherwise his second comment would be contradictory

Unless you're talking about me, but if you are maybe you should quote me...
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