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 on: Today at 07:41:57 pm 
Started by Mr. Morden - Last post by Wulfric
Final Totals for today:

Clinton 380760 52.95%
Sanders 338283 47.05%

There will be more updates Tomorrow and Friday.

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 on: Today at 07:41:00 pm 
Started by Mr. Morden - Last post by President Griffin
Looking at the map...I don't understand how Sanders could be so relatively close to Clinton and yet have a map with the percentages in each county that exist. If I didn't know the statewide figures and looked at that map, I would have thought Clinton won by 12 points or more. King County was over one-third of the vote, nearly 60% Clinton and was Clinton's best county in the state.

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 on: Today at 07:40:53 pm 
Started by jaichind - Last post by Fmr President & Senator Polnut
Well, this report is a f'ing disaster.

I know you guys know I love to fret but I usually fret about future outcomes. I often defend Clinton on substantive matters.

First of all, this isn't a case of "everybody else does it." No one else does it. Secretary Powell used a personal e-mail address exclusively yes, but that was installed for him by the Department staff, so it has the imprimatur of bureaucratic approval. Also, the relevant rule in the Department Manual was not promulgated until 2005. The rule clearly distinguishes Clinton's situation from the "300+ other high-level government officials" who use personal e-mail for government business. It states that normal day-to-day operations are to be conducted on an approved electronic platform. Clinton's platform was not approved.

Yes, it is true that Department IT staff, including senior bureaucratic staff, were involved in discussions of her e-mail system and sent e-mails to her private e-mail. And some IT staff, including senior bureaucratic staff, were aware that she used a private e-mail server.

However, this appears to be a matter of bureaucratic staff not having the will to stand up to the Secretary and say, "No, this is against the rules." Complicating this is the fact that there was no precedent of any Secretary using a government e-mail address. So who is going to say, well there's this obscure rule in the Department Manual that prohibits a private e-mail server, to the Secretary? Apparently no one. Granted, many Manual rules (such as those requiring e-mails be printed and filed) were widely flaunted, but the report highlights that the Ambassador to Kenya was disciplined in part over this particular rule.

But worst of all is the part where there's an e-mail from the Executive Secretariat mentioning FOIA requests as a factor in whether to set up a government e-mail addresses for Clinton. This suggests he believed that she was using a private e-mail in part to skirt FOIA requests. There's a reason why the probability of an indictment is up 6 percentage points on PredictIt today.

Needless to say I am furious at the Secretary. This election is about us, not her, and I supported her because I thought she was the best candidate for us. Now I am not so sure. John Edwards proves that sometimes people who others invest a lot in, have a reckless disregard for the hopes of their own supporters.

So congrats, Clinton haters, you win. When/if Clinton is indicted then I would support her delegates to draft Warren, but the Sanders folks would make a strong pitch to take over the party. In any case I am probably out of discussing politics on forums for the cycle. I have a personal life, and this just exacerbates my neurotic tendencies.

Chill.

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 on: Today at 07:40:01 pm 
Started by White Light - Last post by Mr. Morden
Do I hope any Syrian refugees *don’t* end up at CC’s school?  So if I say yes, all that means is that at least a few of them end up elsewhere.  If I say no, then I hope all of them end up at his school.  How many Syrian refugees are there in the world?  Millions?  By clicking no, I’m wishing for every single one of them to end up in one school?  That seems inhumane.  So the only logical answer is yes.

That said, it would be great if at least a few of them show up at CC’s school, so they can tell us if cxs018 is real or not.

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 on: Today at 07:39:31 pm 
Started by Senate Speaker Truman - Last post by Senator Leinad
AYE!

 6 
 on: Today at 07:39:07 pm 
Started by Ronnie - Last post by Gass3268
Open

 7 
 on: Today at 07:38:35 pm 
Started by homelycooking - Last post by cinyc
I am running for Governor of the Northeast.

Did you mean Governor of the North, or do you mean in the June Northeast election if the Senate isn't seated by then and the Northeast still exists.

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 on: Today at 07:38:24 pm 
Started by Senate Speaker Truman - Last post by Senator Leinad
Aye!

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 on: Today at 07:37:37 pm 
Started by jaichind - Last post by HC Soul Sister

Yawn.

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 on: Today at 07:35:26 pm 
Started by Vox Populi - Last post by Senator Smith (Labor-MA)
For once, Warren is completely right.

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