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 on: Today at 12:01:21 pm 
Started by First Degree Burns - Last post by PittsburghSteel
Nikki Haley.

 on: Today at 12:01:17 pm 
Started by President Johnson - Last post by RFKFan68
Joseph Robinette Biden.

Bullock if there is a crowded field that allows him to win with a plurality of pledged delegates and he convinces Super delegates to vote for him.

 on: Today at 12:00:54 pm 
Started by AKCreative - Last post by DeadPrez
Is that a bad thing, though?
I would normally agree with you, but there are definitely things that should be getting done like repealing Obamacare

 on: Today at 12:00:53 pm 
Started by Alabama_Indy10 - Last post by dead0man
What is this, 1995?  No...and for the same reason I don't carry a flint or horse food.

 on: Today at 12:00:52 pm 
Started by Justice TJ - Last post by Blue Dog Moderate

 on: Today at 12:00:35 pm 
Started by President Johnson - Last post by PittsburghSteel
No, no, no, no, no. a thousand times no.

 on: Today at 12:00:16 pm 
Started by Buh her emails! - Last post by DeadPrez
Would be the worst potus ever

 on: Today at 11:59:59 am 
Started by Mr. Morden - Last post by superbudgie1582
At this point, his real approval is probably more like 45%-50%. When it comes to issues where liberals try to "shame" the racism, people will obviously start lying to pollsters. I don't believe a single person outside the coastal establishment "turned on" Trump in the last week. Heck, I oppose Trump and thought his comments were fine.

I assume this is just conjecture because there is 0 proof Trump's approval rating is being underestimated. In fact, it sounds abit paranoid. Liberals are not lying in order to lower Trump's approval ratings. That theory sounds straight from info wars.


National polls, just like these national approval ratings, were pretty accurate. Wisconsin's polling failure does not equate to liberals lying.

 on: Today at 11:58:10 am 
Started by Peebs - Last post by kyc0705
Official Ballot


[5] fhtagn of Maine
Federalist Party

[3] Haslam2020 of Tennessee
Federalist Party

[6] Governor Illiniwek of Illinois
Labor Party

[2] JGibson of Illinois
Labor Party

[7] LongLiveRock of Colorado
Labor Party

[8] North Carolina Yankee of North Carolina
Federalist Party

[1] Peebs of North Carolina
Labor Party

[  ] Potus2036 of West Virginia
Federalist Party

[4] RFayette of California
Atlas Conservative Party

[9] vivaportugalhabs of Kansas
Labor Party

[  ] Write-in:______________________________

[  ] None of the above

 on: Today at 11:57:39 am 
Started by Spamage - Last post by Make Poland Great Again
ALSO, nice playing by X, but his subjects were not going to back switching sides so soon, especially after the others had aided the rebels against him. We've been talking and he'd like to remain in the game, though not as Poland-Lithuania. Next turn he will take on the role of Benedict XIV and attempt to steer the Vatican though what has been an interesting conflict so far.

Are you serious???

I mean, I like him at personal level but he's going to play a character who will have such a massive impact on many players. What if he decides to excommunicate me for no reason? He always ends up betraying me in all the games we play for no ing reason. It's a very bad idea to have the Pope being playable as it could have so many consequences.

So I suppose the agreements I passed with the Pope in the beginning of the game to reform my realm will no longer in effect too?

Well I'm glad you meant what you said about not taking these games personally Roll Eyes

And I've "betrayed" you once for a perfectly understandable reason.  The game of thrones game wasn't a betrayal b/c we were never on the same side as far as I was concerned.  House Tyrell was a pawn that had developed a mind of its own and gone completely off the reservation from my in-game POV.  I never hid the fact that I completely disagreed with your plan (which ran directly counter to my own goals) and even directly told you as much IRC.  It's only natural that I opposed an early peace which would end the War of the Five Kings early and killing you was the best way to make your coalition fall apart before it solidified since I couldn't talk you out of it.  Btw, I was playing as Littlefinger so complaining about me doing that is basically like complaining about me playing IC.  And even then, I tried to exhaust all other options first.  

In this game, I "betrayed" you for completely legitimate reasons which I've already explained to you privately.  It was a gamble based on the info available to me at the time and a logical one from Poland's POV.  You didn't tell me anything about getting the Pope's help nor could I have ever foreseen that Dkrolga would essentially declare war on Catholics.  For most of my time in this game, I was a pretty good ally despite serious reservations.  I gave useful advice (which you even ended up agreeing with more than a few times), did everything I could to protect you from the mistakes other players wanted you to make (ex: going to war on the first turn), gave feedback about how you could improve your overall strength as a player, and even gathered quite a bit of useful intell.

And btw, it's a bit insulting that you're essentially trying to dictate who I'm allowed to play as before I've even done anything.  I mean, it's just game.  I could make complaints about your in-game style too, but that wouldn't really be productive right now.  Believe it or not, I don't go into these games thinking "gosh, how can I screw over Windjammer?"  You can ask Lumine, Dereich, Spamage, or really anyone who I've played these games with often, I play to have fun and that's about it.  Dereich might even argue that I focus on having fun to a fault tbh (ex: The UN game), but I'll let him speak for himself.  Do I betray folks sometimes?  Sure, but it's never personal or based on some sort of vendetta.  I always have a plan...not always a good one, but I'm always a man with a plan in these games Tongue  Sometimes you get outplayed or betrayed and that's just how it goes.  If you take things so personally, you won't enjoy the games as much.  

P.S: I wasn't planning to excommunicate you, the thought literally never crossed my mind.  Maybe it might make sense to see what I do before getting so riled up.  I might surprise you and who knows, you might end up liking what I had planned Tongue  And negative thinking yields negative results.

Let me be clear about something, I don't think you have a "personal vendetta" against me, but what I believe however that you are literally Cersei Lannister, a tornado that ends up screwing up everyone, including yourself with your 20 dimension chess playing.

I wouldn't have made an objection if you were playing any other countries, including Russia, because this is a game and being betrayed is a part of this game.

Howevern tearing the church apart for literally 70% of Europe is too far for me and not a risk I would like to take. How is it difficult to understand? I oppose a so strong character can be playable as it could have many many wide consequences. But since Spamage's last statement, I don't oppose you playing this strong character anymore.

- I mean, you can believe whatever you want, but that doesn't make it true.  That comparison is both completely inaccurate and more than a little insulting.  I don't have time to get into all the problems with it and I know we have very different views on the character, but how am I not supposed to take that as an insult on multiple levels? 

- Here's the thing though, you don't get to dictate who I play as, period.  If you don't want me playing as a really strong character for whatever reason, with all due respect, that's too bad.  I'm sorry if you're worried I might inconvenience you, but I'm allowed to enjoy the game too.

- Believe me, I understand what you're saying; you're coming through loud and clear.  We're not having a misunderstanding, it's what you're saying that I have a problem with.  You had literally no basis whatsoever for assuming I was going to do something like that and yet you basically went on a small public tirade about how I can't be trusted with the responsibility of playing as such an important country because I'd betray you in a completely OOC way for "no ing reason."  Then when I responded, you said that I was "literally Cersei Lannister, a tornado that ends up screwing up everyone, including yourself;" again how am I supposed to take that as anything other than an insult?  And Spamage's statement shouldn't have even been necessary; I mean, give me a little bit of credit here.

The irony is that I'm pretty sure you're literally the only person who ever even considered the possibility of excommunicating the King of France.  It certainly never crossed my mind.  This is the sort of thing I meant when I said that you can get a bit paranoid in these games in a way that can alienate folks.  Fortunately, I don't take these games too personally, but if I were the type of person who did (and there are folks like that) then you'd have made an enemy out of ally for no reason.

Anyway, this is probably the last post I'll be making on this subject because I don't want to derail Spamage's thread any more than we already have.

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