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 on: Today at 12:41:20 am 
Started by Speaker fhtagn - Last post by IDS Delegate Ben Kenobi
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As I have said to Ben, we are voting now.

Indeed we are. And I'm continuing to debate and discuss the bill. Are you suggesting that I'm acting contrary to the rules?

The voting period is still active, and I am permitted to hold the floor and debate during this period.

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If there was a legitimate concern over what the people in Fremont thought about this, it should have been done in the 8 days where there was no discussion.

There's active debate and discussion on this bill now. I don't see what's the issue with seeking consultation from Fremont citizens who will be impacted to get their say as to whether this bill has any merit whatsoever.

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There was plenty of time to bring this up before then, and I will not tolerate Ben's blatant obstruction that he has been doing for EVERY bill we vote on.

I am following the rules here.

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If there is an issue with him discussing topics in a timely manner, maybe he should reconsider his involvement in here.

I'm sorry that you're frustrated here, but this is an important issue. If we're shipping our convicts to Fremont, I'd like to hear what the expert has to say and I'd like to have him address this delegation.

Another day wouldn't kill anything. If this bill waited 8 days before having a vote called, why can't it wait another?

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 on: Today at 12:39:55 am 
Started by Hash - Last post by Tintrlvr
So what's the West Virginia/Alabama of France? And conversely the San Fran/Boston/NYC of France?

There aren't any of those. France is just one giant Midwest. Paris is Chicago.
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I always thought the Southern coast was particularly right-wing (and I think also somewhere in Northeast France as well). I admit I haven't followed French politics in some time.

Is anyone here going to say without a doubt that Le Pen won't be the next President of France? Or are they like me now, someone who just won't feel comfortable until the results are final?

This first-round result made Le Pen's chances at victory even more clearly remote. She did not outperform her polling at all, and even maybe underperformed it just slightly. She's polling, on average, about 20 points behind Macron, with just two weeks of campaigning to happen. If there were some huge Macron scandal available to blow up in his face, Fillon and/or Melenchon would have made it happen before the first round. It's over.

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 on: Today at 12:38:39 am 
Started by mds32 - Last post by Zioneer
I don't mean this to be offensive, but Democrats rooting for McMullin, former policy director for Paul Ryan, is a really stupid thing. Nasty Guy!

I bet there isn't a single issue the two disagree on other than MUH DONALD TRUMP.
Bluntly, Democrats can't win here, and I feel that McMullin at least has a sane foreign policy, and is a Trump critic, as well as seeming a little bit more down to earth.

Additionally, Hatch has broken his promises time and again, and really needs to stand aside for someone new. Why not McMullin?

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 on: Today at 12:36:10 am 
Started by Shadows - Last post by Yank2133
To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

Obama left office with high approval ratings and favorability and would have won a third term fairly easily if he was eligible.

Seriously, some of you on the left need to realize that the general public does not give a sh**t about Wall-Street, Goldman Sachs, bankers etc. They never have and never will and you will go no where if you think it is some "winning" message.

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 on: Today at 12:36:02 am 
Started by Crumpets - Last post by Crumpets
Very cool.

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Make note of the name Etzanoa, a long-lost city. Donald Blakeslee says he’s found it.

The discovery could put south-central Kansas on the map as the second-biggest settlement of Native Americans found in the United States, Blakeslee said. And it’s now, finally, the known location of a 1601 battle pitting outnumbered Spaniards firing cannon into waves of attacking Indian warriors.

Etzanoa has remained a mystery for 400 years. Archaeologists could not find it. Historians thought reports of a permanent settlement with 20,000 Native Americans in it were exaggerated.

But here in Arkansas City, at the confluence of the Walnut and Arkansas Rivers, Blakeslee, an anthropologist and archaeologist at Wichita State University, has found evidence of a massive town stretching across thousands of acres of bluffs and rich bottomland along two rivers. What clinched it was the discovery, by a high school kid, of a half-inch iron cannon ball.

http://www.kansas.com/news/state/article144968264.html

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 on: Today at 12:31:51 am 
Started by Hash - Last post by shua
Is there an idea of how certain minority groups voted? French Muslims, French Jews, French Black people, etc?

Jews - usually a strong constituency for the right. They probably voted for Fillon in big numbers. The FN were doing well with Jews, although Le Pen probably lost support over the Vel d'Hiv comments. Macron probably lost support with Jews, who are largely of North African/pied noir descent, with his comments on Algeria being a "war crime", and the left are probably perceived as being too close to Muslims.

Muslims and blacks - overwhelmingly for Mélenchon and Macron (basically see the results in Seine-Saint-Denis, and places like Vénissieux in the Rhône to get an idea.

Note that, in France, collecting data on ethnicity is illegal, so reliable figures are very hard to come by.

No one can collect it at all?

 7 
 on: Today at 12:27:44 am 
Started by Shadows - Last post by Old School Republican
The problems of the Democratic Party go way beyond the last 8 years - The Democrats still haven't recovered from RONALD REAGAN winning in 1980, getting his policies through a Democrat congress, and then winning re-election in 1984. It's amazing to see a party this long in stagnation whether its electoral (2007 to 2011 is looking more and more like an anomaly everyday) or its ideological (Clinton largely ceded most of the political ground to the right, while Obama pushed for some things but after the public lashed back in 2010 largely stood backwards).




Yup before Reagan the Dems used to have 270 -280 seats in the house and by the end of the decade he reduced that to Dems being in the 250s.


That reduced their majority enough that another wave election would wipe the dems out and thats exactly what happened in 1994.

 8 
 on: Today at 12:26:40 am 
Started by Spark498 - Last post by xīngkěruì
Terrible.

 9 
 on: Today at 12:26:16 am 
Started by Hash - Last post by politicallefty
So what's the West Virginia/Alabama of France? And conversely the San Fran/Boston/NYC of France?

There aren't any of those. France is just one giant Midwest. Paris is Chicago.
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I always thought the Southern coast was particularly right-wing (and I think also somewhere in Northeast France as well). I admit I haven't followed French politics in some time.

Is anyone here going to say without a doubt that Le Pen won't be the next President of France? Or are they like me now, someone who just won't feel comfortable until the results are final?

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 on: Today at 12:24:26 am 
Started by Shadows - Last post by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└
To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

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