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News: Atlas Hardware Upgrade complete October 13, 2013.

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 on: Today at 07:52:41 pm 
Started by Vox Populi - Last post by ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└
It turns out that quite a few states have counties refusing SSM licenses, including at least 5 in Mississippi, so this isn't over yet.

http://ballotpedia.org/Local_government_responses_to_Obergefell_v._Hodges#tab=Michigan

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 on: Today at 07:51:24 pm 
Started by aktheden - Last post by CountryClassSF
I'm not sure how much more inclusive the Republicans can get. They've spent the last 8 years obsessing over winning hard-left constituencies at the expense of the base.

The fact that Republicans have to gerrymander so aggressively just to have a chance at controlling the house and even several state legislatures shows that there is a major problem. At this point, they are drafting laws that draw districts that are not of equal population in order to maximize their votes. That behavior does not indicate a very healthy future.

Maryland. Illinois. No comment on those?

For heaven's sake, Chicagoland lost population and gained districts.

Gerrymandering doesn't change the fact that, even as Obama said, Democrats cluster in urban areas, more so now than ever before.  That puts them at a disadvantage in and of itself.

Legislatures have always drawn district lines.  Democrats can/would do the same thing if they controlled more state houses.

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 on: Today at 07:50:50 pm 
Started by Dereich - Last post by Governor TNF
Ah, thank you for nabbing that. I meant for it to mean those voting.

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 on: Today at 07:48:08 pm 
Started by Wulfric - Last post by CountryClassSF
Can someone tell me why one would care what the sexual orientation of your customers is?

Some people think that selling goods, food, etc. to gays is a violation of their religious faith and requiring them to engage in a blasphemous act.

Very few people

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 on: Today at 07:47:00 pm 
Started by Wulfric - Last post by Gravis Marketing
Can someone tell me why one would care what the sexual orientation of your customers is?

Some people think that selling goods, food, etc. to gays is a violation of their religious faith and requiring them to engage in a blasphemous act.

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 on: Today at 07:46:29 pm 
Started by Wulfric - Last post by Harry
Within days, these owners will be millionaires just like sh**tty pizzeria from Indiana. I wish I owned a business and could scam right-wingers out of their money like this too.

The pizzeria got support because it closed down for a while after they were threatened with violence for responding to a hypothetical question asked by a reporter about catering a gay wedding.  They did not go out of their way to antagonize or make gays excluded.  That was not like this.

It's exactly like this. Some two-bit pizzeria realized all they had to do to become millionaires was say they don't like gays, and lo and behold, the money rolls in. It was obvious from the beginning that whatever local backlash they received would be more than made up for by the gullible Right.

We'll see if this hardware shop goes the same way, but I have no doubt the owner is trying for that.

That's a creative interpretation you got there.  Too bad it didn't make it onto the Snopes page about what really happened.

Obviously I can't prove the owners knew exactly what they were doing, but it didn't take a genius to know once the story broke that they would soon be set for life. And sure enough, they were.

It's equally obvious that this hayseed in Tennessee is trying to get a big payday with the same strategy, and he probably will.

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 on: Today at 07:41:26 pm 
Started by Wulfric - Last post by TJ in Kasichstan
Can someone tell me why one would care what the sexual orientation of your customers is? Money is money. Seems like this is more an attempt to get attention than anything else.

In general you wouldn't. Certainly for selling hardware you wouldn't. It mainly comes up in the news when it has something to do with a gay wedding ceremony itself.

Yes, this owner is probably an attention whore, and a bad one at that.

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 on: Today at 07:41:13 pm 
Started by NeverAgain - Last post by DeadPrez
You realise you guys are indistinguishable from Paultards right?

Paul (and his son) never had a chance though.

Sanders has (he's already polling much higher than Paul ever has, in NH).
Lol you are high

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 on: Today at 07:40:34 pm 
Started by Wulfric - Last post by CountryClassSF
Within days, these owners will be millionaires just like sh**tty pizzeria from Indiana. I wish I owned a business and could scam right-wingers out of their money like this too.

I supported the Gofundme for the pizzeria.  I won't be supporting this guy.  There is a difference. You cannot compare the two.  Not wanting to participate in a ceremony is far different from saying "I don't serve gays."

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 on: Today at 07:39:16 pm 
Started by Reaganfan - Last post by TJ in Kasichstan
Well, if by mob, we mean folks who may boycott businesses who are associated with causes or comments anathema to "the mob," OK, but socons have made threats to boycott businesses too from time to time. One has a right to boycott business for ideological reasons. This comment of mine refers to 2) and 3) below I think (as well to TJ's comment about Amazon and Google). As to 1), that is a legal issue, that is still in the process of being resolved (there are always folks around ready to sue over perceived rights), and hopefully SCOTUS in due course will protect the act of refusing to making gay themed wedding cakes as a protected act of religious expression. So I don't think 3) is a "mob" issue, it's a legal issue.

1) It is not enough for gay marriage to be legal.  You must force those who disagree with you to specifically perform for you, like by baking your gay wedding cake under penalty of law.  But of course, your gay marriage won't affect those who disagree in any way, right?
2) Brendan Eich, former Mozilla CEO, was pushed out of his job for the crime of donating to the "wrong" side of Prop 8.  And, as far as I know, hasn't found a job since.
3) You can't express your opinion against Mexican immigration.  If you do, Univision and NBC will pull your TV show for not expressing the politically correct view on the subject after agitation from the "progressive" mob.


Don't misunderstand my comment here; I am not saying the government should do anything to force Google and Amazon to sell Confederate flags. You know very well I want to make sure companies have the ability not to sell things against the conscience of the people who run them. I hope I've made that point abundantly clear over the years on here with everything from contraceptives to baking cakes for gay weddings to selling Hannukah trinkets. Tongue I am merely stating my opinion that I do not like Google and Amazon's refusal in this case. I don't believe for a second there is ounce of authenticity to their sudden conversion along the road to Damascus. Legally, of course, there doesn't have to be. Again, I am simply stating my opinion.

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