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Famous Mortimer
WillipsBrighton
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« on: July 14, 2017, 01:59:58 AM »

The title ix preponderance standard is abysmal. Adequate notice and confrontation rights must be restored as well. State schools are state actors and must protect the bill of rights.

Not defending Title IX in general but I'm not even sure the standards it sets out in regard to sexual assault really are that unreasonable. Mostly they are just vague and schools over react to cover their butts. Really though, I think any halfway decent lawyer could make that case that just reporting crimes to the police is enough to comply with Title IX.
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WillipsBrighton
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2017, 07:14:26 PM »

Those whose fingers begin flailing hysterically against their keyboards whenever talk turns to whether the accused are getting a raw deal in regards to rape accusations are proving to the world that they don't actually care about justice, social problems, or rape itself. It's just a reflex for self-preservation. The only "that could be me" they can process is being the one accused of rape. And therefore that is what matters to them, purely. But in much the same way you don't want to be accused of rape, you probably also don't want to be the one coming to the defense exclusively of those accused of rape. You look really gross really quickly, to everyone.

There's probably a discussion worth having about all of this but I doubt it's ever going to happen here.

Rape is the only crime for which people are proposing doing away with the presumption of innocence. It produces a unique kind of response online because it is unique in that position. I don't see how that proves people concerned about preserving the presumption of innocence are somehow betraying their malevolence. They would have the same reaction and be just as concerned if people were talking about doing away with the presumption of innocence for theft or libel, it's just that no one is proposing that.
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WillipsBrighton
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2017, 07:20:23 PM »

"Isn't it odd how you guys only defend people accused of rape? Hmmmmmm?"

No, it's not odd at all. People accused of rape are the only people that activists want to take away the presumption of innocence for.

I would also defend the presumption of innocence for anyone accused of any crime, it's just that with any other crime besides rape, they don't need it. No one supports taking away the presumption of innocence for anyone else, if they propose that for any other crime besides rape, it's universally recognized as insane.




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