CA-Sen: California Quake

[CountryClassSF]

Lib on lib slug fest!

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This is the guy that preceded Mikulski? Wow, that's going a ways back.

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Very seriously considering a tactical vote for Rep. Sanchez in the open primary race to defeat winger-leftist San Fran lib Kamala Harris-- Particularly if no other Democrats run. Will lib establishment force Xavier Becerra in to try to split the Hispanic vote?

Loretta can very well win if she advances to the general with a coalition of moderates, Hispanics, and GOPers.

Realistically, Republicans have no shot at winning here - especially with the candidates who are running.  With multiple Republicans running, it is highly possible that the two Democrat candidates advance to the general.  And Republicans have to think tactically IF no other D's run.

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Aware of that. But Loretta didn't do this: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/SAN-FRANCISCO-D-A-won-t-pursue-death-in-cop-2767716.php.

And tactical voting is used only to defeat an outcome that's undesirable (Sen. Kamala Harris).

[CountryClassSF]

Loretta Sanchez is not a conservative or a substitute for a Republican. It's not like there is anything Republicans gain from voting tactically.

What do we have to gain by not voting tactically? Kamala is a left-wing ideologue with rumored presidential aspirations.

Aside from this election, it would perhaps finally mean the repeal of Prop 14 if the Democrat Party chosen candidate is defeated

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Stopping a Democrat presidential aspirant at a state level election, and exacting GOP influence over Democrat primary, and getting more people to want to repeal Prop 14 would be good enough for me.

If the two Democrats make it to the top-two, someone's going to have to do some outreach to GOP voters.

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Demagogue? Wow--  this isn't about race at all.  This is about choosing the better person and the best strategic option for conservatives to exact some influence over a race.  If two Democrats make it to the top two, Loretta's team is going to give reasons for Republicans to vote for her. Believe you me.

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Do me a favor.  As the campaign gets closer, go take some notes every time a candidate from either party talks about race - see which party talks about it more.  See which party routinely discusses race, and see which party says nothing in response.

As for this race, no, we don't have a chance. That's precisely why you choose between the viable options, even if both options are not your preferred choice.

[CountryClassSF]

Confirms my notions splendidly!  I'm definitely tactical-voting for Loretta now. She's hilarious!

However, she did make a funny joke, so this might disqualify her amongst Democrats. Fortunately we have open jungle primaries.

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Loretta Sanchez is part native American. They're accusing her of being racist against herself?

Wow. Lib media will now treat her like a Republican because she's running against  the annointed Kamala

[CountryClassSF]

I love Loretta, having met her a few times. But she really needs to step aside this Senate campaign.

Why does she *need* to step aside?  Kamala can't even take a position on an issue. She's having handlers do her talking. Frankly, she frightens me, and I'll be willing to cast a tactical vote for Sanchez if it stops her.  I remember when she was S.F. DA, refusing to seek the death penalty for a COP KILLER. This should DISQUALIFY HER.

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But her actions were unprecedented, Josh.  The people of California support the death penalty. We wanted the cop killer brought to justice, even many liberals here in San Francisco. I remember it very clearly. We were deeply hurt by her betrayal. Her actions were called "unprecedented."  

The SFPD cop that was shot by that monster brought tremendous pain to  our city.

Whether you're against the death penalty or not, her liberal zealotry clouded justice. That's why she nearly lost her first AG race.

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Yeah, I took it as meaning that she was told that she was going into a meeting with an Indian-American, didn't know whether that meant Native American or legitimately Indian so she was signaling her confusion to her staff member to find an answer.

Exactly. There's no racism here. She's half-native herself!

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I get what you're saying, and I'm aware of that. But, over 100K San Franciscans (myself included) voted to retain the death penalty. That ought to mean something.  Many people who are generally anti-DP support the DP in extreme circumstances, such as for terrorists like Tsarnaev and cop killers.

I get your point about her representing SF. but criminal cases are brought upon by the STATE OF CALIFORNIA. It's not "City of San Francisco vs Defendant" It's "State of CA vs Defendant" and her not seeking the DP on behalf of the STATE, was really offensive. Many liberals here were very upset about it. I believe she had the worst statewide performance here of any Democrat candidate in a *very long* time (save Phil Angelides).

[CountryClassSF]

I don't get it. Harris won, albeit narrowly in '10. But she still won as an anti-capital punishment candidate. Republican officeholders in states like South Dakota and Arkansas don't change their position on raising the minimum wage when ballot measures pass in their states. Why would Harris change her opinion based on one Proposition?

[Edit]: And the reason she won so narrowly in 2010 was because Los Angeles came in good for Cooley who was LA district attorney or something.

She won despite of that, not because of that.  Even in 2012, which had high Democrat turnout here, we rejected repeal of the DP.  In 2010, we would have rejected it by a higher margin.

I don't expect her  nor do I ask her to change her position. (Side note: Amazing how she's ok with partial birth abortion but not executing a cop killer). But she shouldn't allow her personal views to take hold when she's seeking sentencing as a D.A. or an A.G.

We've reaffirmed our support for capital punishment here, and I think it's reasonable to expect the AG to enforce it.

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Those states have an initiative process (I think). if they want to raise the minimum wage and make the cost of a burger up to $6.00, like it is in San Francsico, be my guest. No skin off my nose.


I'm opposed to minimum wage increases because I've seen what it's done to San Francisco. Mom and pop shops are closing.

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I'm sorry Joshua. I'm not trying to ignore your point.  What I'm saying is, as an informed voter what does it matter? You pass something via initiative, what is it to you if a candidate personally supports it or not? It's still passed

The voters of my city passed a minimum wage law, and now they're bellyaching that their left-wing bookstore has to close down.  I hope it was worth it...

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Per Sanchez, she says she's part-Native American. http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/05/17/u-s-senate-candidate-apologizes-after-war-cry-in-reference-to-native-americans-during-convention/

I think all she was honestly saying was that she confused Native vs Indian  - but it didn't go over well at the convention hall. 

I have always respected Ms. Sanchez. She's as far from a racist as can be.

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I know.  I was very upset by that.  But racial politics is nothing new to Democrats. You probably disagree w/ me, but I see it every day here. Its very common.

I think she is a better person than Kamala. We were very hurt by what she did in SF.  

Now, I'm not saying I'm gung ho for Loretta, but if she makes it to the top two, I will vote for her. I also will consider a tactical vote for her against "Republican" Rocky Chavez in the jungle primary, if it means beating Kamala in the general. Sometimes you have to pick the better person.

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I think she is a better person than Kamala. We were very hurt by what she did in SF.  

I'm sure the Kamala Harris campaign will be devastated by the 85% of the general election vote she'll garner in San Francisco.

Not vs. a Democrat.Her getting 85% of the vote in the city would mean she receives the votes of 100% of city Democrats + near independents. Not going to happen if she faces Sanchez in a general election. Hence my strategy of a tactical vote to advance Loretta past the primary.

[CountryClassSF]

I don't think this poll deserves its own thread (58% are undecided), but the Field Poll has Harris and Sanchez making a runoff. Harris leads by a whopping 19-8 margin.

That would be amazing. A D on D race? Color me interested.

The thing Sanchez has going for her is there are three or four little-funded Republicans running, and if the GOP vote (generally more or less we get up to 40% of primary electorate) is split, Sanchez stands a chance at advancing to the general.  And that's why I'm likely to cast a defensive tactical vote in her favor over the far-left Republican that they will try to shove down our throats this time.

Interesting Q, has there ever been a general election in US history between two members of the same party for the Senate?

Sanchez can easily win a general election against Harris, (53-47 or so) even if she's underfunded -- with a coalition of enough Republicans, moderates, whites and Hispanics

[CountryClassSF]

Sanchez voted against the Iraq War and the Patriot Act, which aren't exactly things that someone very conservative would do, so I wouldn't imagine that many Republicans would be anxious to back her.

No, but she'll find ways to appeal to us.

[CountryClassSF]

Sanchez voted against the Iraq War and the Patriot Act, which aren't exactly things that someone very conservative would do, so I wouldn't imagine that many Republicans would be anxious to back her.

No. But in 1-to-1 "top 2" runofff - they will. Just as they did in SD-07 state Senate district recently. And they will be absolutely right: if you can't elect your "dream candidate" because he/she is unelectable in given state, you support  those, who is both closest to him/her and is electable

Yep, that's exactly what I'll be doing assuming I still live in the 3rd world Golden State by then

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Southern California does things much better, but the Bay Area has terrible infrastructure. Average speeds of San Francisco MUNI system = 8 mph. http://www.munidiaries.com/2010/07/23/munis-8-1-mph-average-visualized/.

The roads are broken in San Francisco, too. The streets are filthy.

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