Senate Protest and Analysis Thread

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From this vantage though, the Franzl nomination seemed to be one were you led and the President followed.

I disagree, no other nominees presented themselves.  Stop trying to put down the big P

It was a fairly unprecedented process. I'm not aware of it ever arising before that persons were expected to present themselves in public threads when seeking a cabinet position. Traditionally the President would privately seek out suitable candidates.

Now I'm not necessarily against a more public process, but it was clearly led by you and not the President and there hasn't been anything to date to suggest anything pro-active on the President's part.

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Resolution on the Ongoing Israel-Palestine Conflict

1. The Republic of Atlasia condemns Hamas for failing to end the irresponsible and unwarranted rocket attacks on Israel.

2. The Republic of Atlasia recognises Israel's right to defend itself, however condemns the recent military actions of the Israeli Government against Palestinians as disproportionate and as failing to take all necessary measures to prevent civilian casualties and fatalities.

3. The Republic of Atlasia calls for an immediate ceasefire and asks both sides to allow unrestricted access for humanitarian agencies to assist the victims of these attacks.

I like it, except for section 2.

Shocking

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I ask that this bill be brought forth immediatley and put into the Emergency slot:

Resolution Regarding Constitutional Amendments

1.) No senator shall propose a constitutional amendment until the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention
2.) No constitutional amendments shall be voted upon until the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention

LOL

As if you need legislation to prevent this Senate from doing anything...

I'll also consider bringing a case to strike this as unconstitutional if it does somehow get passed.

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I'd have to disagree - its a Senate rule for its proceedings, and the Courts have never interfered with these, and I would see it highly unlikely that they would.

Maybe so, but if that were to be the case, then surely the resolution itself would not be enforced by the Court and so would become immediately redundant on passage. It is at best a waste of time and effort.

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What day does the next Senate start on?

Noon, 3 July.

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     Yet there is still a D.C. incorporated into the Mideast. I suppose that this would this mean that it is a separate locale from Nyman D.C.

Nope
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=4957.0

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I believe Treasury is already in the job description of the SoFA.

There was a Treasury Secretary whose functions were devolved directly to the Presidency in the last Cabinet Restructuring Act.

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Does Atlasia have a federal abortion policy?

I think the Reproductive Rights Act is the standing legislation on the issue.

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Does Atlasia have a federal abortion policy?

I think the Reproductive Rights Act is the standing legislation on the issue.

Though that law applies only to federal territories.  There is no such disclaimer in Senator RowanBrandon's proposal.

Indeed so, fair points both.

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Not a bad idea Sen. RowanBrandon. 6 months might be a bit long, but some such time requirement seems reasonable to me.

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We need a PPT election now.

No, we don't.  We just need Bacon King to step in and take over.  He did such a great job before.

If the rest of the Senate will agree, I would be okay with just letting BK preside over the remainder of the 33rd Senate.

First off, Senator, thank you for your kind words

I have started the PPT election process because the current Senate rules require a PPT to be elected immediately following the resignation of the current PPT. The rules also prevent the VP from directly running the Senate except when the PPT is absent.

I agree with you that a PPT is not always necessary- I think the option to elect one should exist, but I don't think it should be mandatory. I also think the VP should be allowed to run things to an extent even when a PPT is present.

I'd support it if anyone were to change any of this.

As a matter of precedent, there have been a number of VPs who did actively work with the PPT in helping keep Senate business moving along. IMO, it's a matter for the PPT and VP to decide themselves how they wish to work together.

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Just to note that I'll be away for a few days - probably until Thursday.
Not sure whether I'll have any net access.

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Would never fly, cause Marokai, JAs and co already have there "compromise" and everyone who opposes it is an ideologue who refuses to compromise.

Not to let the facts get in your way, again, but I'll happily restate that I disapprove of the CoG proposal.

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Thanks Inks!!!

I did some digging into the history behind this, here is the original debate.  Peter, Ernest, and Jas all participated in it.  Perhaps they could speak up in the current amendment's debate as well.

IIRC, Dave Hawk and others wanted the voting requirement removed altogether - asserting that once on the voter rolls, citizens should remain on the voter rolls regardless of activity. I, and others, felt it better to maintain a regular purging of the rolls to remove inactive voters. The 4 election rule was a compromise.