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illegaloperation
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« on: July 23, 2014, 01:46:37 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2014, 03:01:08 PM »
« Edited: July 23, 2014, 03:02:49 PM by illegaloperation »

Wishful thinking. They may win the two races in November, but that won't make Georgia blue overnight. Did the Republican takeover in Maine in 2010 make that a red state? No.

When Webb won the senate seat in 2006, that was foreshadowing.
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2014, 03:55:41 PM »
« Edited: July 23, 2014, 04:31:28 PM by illegaloperation »

More like Allen putting his foot in his mouth, and even then it was close. VA only took a turn to the left in 2008 because of Obama raising black turnout. Need I remind you of the gubernatorial races. McDonnell won in a landslide even after Obama's comfortable win there, and Terry only won due to a spoiler in the form of Sarvis. 2012 was closer, and was also due to Obama and maybe a popular governor being on the ballot for Senate, causing swing voters to vote across the board. The latter half is just my theory, though.

Yes, Allen would probably have won if he did have a hiccup. Still, that doesn't make the race any less important in the grand scheme of things. What that election shows is that Northern Virginia is now strong enough to power a Democrat to victory given favorable circumstances.

Also, for a very long time (longer than I can remember), Virginia has elected governor from the party that looses the White House the previous year. That McAuliffe won is a break of tradition. Additionally, Sarvis only took slightly more from McAuliffe than Cuccinelli (poll data).
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2014, 06:47:41 PM »

I don't know a lot about Carter or Nunn other than they're viewed as moderate Southern Democrats.  Do either of them actually disagree with the national platform on any significant issues to earn that reputation (e.g., being pro-life or against gay marriage)?

Carter just voted for the gun everywhere law that the majority of Georgians don't even agree with.

Nunn is a neocon that wants to US to be the world police.
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2014, 08:55:50 PM »

By this logic, New Jersey should be considered a dark (atlas) blue state because of Christie's margins.

Nope. New Jersey is an elastic state.

The reason that Chris Christie can run up huge margins in his reelection in 2013 is the same reason that Mike Bebee can run up huge margins in his reelection in 2010 (while Blanche Lincoln got defeated in a landslide the same year).
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2014, 12:03:33 AM »
« Edited: July 24, 2014, 12:14:02 AM by illegaloperation »


What are you talking about? Georgia Democrats were still doing well then.

My friend, it doesn't bode well to make such sweeping statements.

Sure, there are enough trends to indicate that there is a Democratic majority about to emerge, but let's not ignore the possibility that the GOP can (and most likely will) address such changes in a way besides saying "nah uh uh!"  Or more to the point, all they need is an economic shift in the demographics that will upset the balance in the state.

No offense, but your analysis about the FOREVER DEMOCRATIC Georgia is a bit in the hackish realm.  Nunn and Carter winning in 2014 is no more of a testament to permanent political realignment as Walsh and Curley winning in 1934.  Sure, a victory can happen in 2014, 2016, or 2018, but it's not some definite end to GOP hopes . . . . .  forever.  

How are Georgia Republicans going to address the changes when African American votes aren't remotely elastic?

You all forget that Perdue is already talking like he is running in CO or VA.  Even if Kingston beat Nunn, he would likely be toast in 2020.  But if Perdue doesn't self-immolate this year or get primaried from the right, he has the seat as long as he wants it.

Southern blacks are even more partisan than southern whites, so Perdue could be in trouble by just being a Republican.
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2014, 12:39:27 AM »

I can imagine this post in 1934:

How are Massachusetts Republicans going to address the changes when Irish American votes aren't even remotely elastic!?

Also,

Northern Catholics are even more partisan than Northern Protestants, so Bacon could be in trouble just by being a Republican.

Georgia Republicans can win back the southern black votes; all they have to do is stop being racists which would make it almost impossible baring a realignment.
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2014, 12:16:04 PM »

Okay seriously how are Republicans racist?

Oh, please.

The Republican strategy (at least in the South) involves using race bating and white resentment to win elections.

Do you want an example?

Deal called an effort to have integrated prom (in 2013!) "silly publicity stunt organized by a leftist front group for the state Democratic party."

I am waiting for someone to say, "Ah, but this is only one example; list a few more and I might believe you."
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