Simon Wiesenthal dies

[J. J.]

Good man, who lived a long life with a purpose.

[J. J.]

Actually, he is quoting you fully. 

[J. J.]

One of the more interesting claims in this thread are this:

3) Efforts directed against Jews were, at the very least, a recognition of the possibility Germany would lose, and they increased in scope with the likelihood of Germany losing (i.e. as the war progressed). This explains limited actions early in the war, escalating into more serious ones later-- even when the ideology vs. labor issue had completely reversed such that Germany needed labor very badly (there are additional sources specific to this that I can cite if anyone would like to examine them).

You would to believe that within six weeks of of the Nazi invasion of the USSR, Hitler thought that he would be defeated, because that is when the genocidic activity started.  Hint, he was winning, big.  At point, noncombatant Jews were being killed, because they were Jews, in groups of hundreds and of thousands at a time.

I would encorage anyone to read the thread and note that Goldie didn't answer a number of points.

[J. J.]

First, I'm just citing some things on the thread that was cited.  I encourage anyone interested to read it.

Second, we are not discussing dieing but killing.  These were not people killed the crossfire or civilian casualties of bombing.  These were people that were rounded up and killed.  We are not talking about the formation of concentration or extermination camps.

Third, I would hope that you agree that the events of September 1, 1939 through November 30, 1941 were exceptionally favorable to Nazi Germany.  There was nothing to that point that could be viewed as a losing campaign.  The UK was not knocked out of the war, and Spain didn't join the Axis, but the UK couldn't launch any offensive ground action and Spain was friendly, if not allied with Nazi Germany.

[J. J.]

Both sides are pretty guilty when it comes to the violence going on there. But I place a bit more of the blame on Israel for instigating the violence in the first place and using terrorist acts against civilians in the 1950s.

Are you sure you don't mean the 1940's?