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Question: Which state do you think would vote Democratic first: Arizona or Georgia?
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Arizona
 
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Georgia
 
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Both would flip together in the same election
 
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Author Topic: Which state do you think would vote Democratic first: Arizona or Georgia?  (Read 4731 times)
barfbag
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« on: August 08, 2013, 01:00:15 AM »

Those trends are very slow and certainly not guaranteed to change. If I had a gun to my head I would say Arizona. I wouldn't be celebrating now for a victory in either place though. They're comparable to states like New Jersey and Michigan on the other side when averaging numbers.
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barfbag
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2013, 05:41:46 PM »

Demographic change is happening much, much faster in Arizona than in Georgia. While black turnout is not unlikely to be somewhat depressed in Georgia post-Obama, the Hispanic turnout will eventually increase across the nation as latinos age (older voters turn out at much higher rates). In no other state the Hispanic population is increasing faster than in Arizona, not even in Texas or Nevada. (At least that was the situation in the last decade, although their new, stricter policies might have changed the situation somewhat.) Another thing that will drive Hispanic turnout in 2016 and beyond is candidates more suited to appeal to this demographic, either by being latinos themselves (Rubio, Martinez, Castro, Cruz, Menendez, Solis), by having a multiracial family (Jeb Bush) or just by having a strong appeal towards latinos (Hillary). Also Arizona is socially liberal/libertarian and less religious than the average state.

By 2016, Arizona will be more likely than Georgia to vote Democratic because of the surging Hispanic citizen population. By 2020 and 2024, Arizona will be much more likely. By 2024, only a very weak Democratic candidate will be able to lose the popular vote in Arizona I think. Arizona will be the new Nevada eventually. Arizona will be one of the most important battleground states in 2016 and 2020 I'm sure. Georgia's direction will be slower and much more uncertain. Hillary will probably/possibly make Georgia a battleground in 2016, but only if she can win convincingly/in a landslide. She also has the strenght of being a regional/"Southern" candidate in many people's eyes, although she's originally from Illinois and having represented New York in Congress.

This much I can agree with but for the states to change parties, trends would have to continue and the Republican's inability to reach out to minorities would have to continue. I don't think Hillary Clinton will be hurt in the south from representing a northern state with the exception of Arkansas which she abandoned as too good for. There could be a backlash there, but she'll still get at least 34%. Arkansas isn't the point here. Bottom line is that Obama didn't win either Georgia or Arizona in 2008 and I don't see Clinton winning by quite the same national margin. Even without McCain, I think Obama would've come up a few points short in Arizona. Light redness is nothing new to the state either.
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barfbag
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2013, 11:26:42 PM »

What percentage of Arizona voters were Mormon and how does it rank compared to other states? I doubt they'll be going away anytime soon.
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2013, 01:28:21 AM »

The decline of the white vote is a big problem in this country and it's looking like the GOP will either have to outdo Democrats with rhetoric or find another way to win.
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barfbag
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2013, 09:20:42 PM »


I don't think Hillary Clinton will be hurt in the south from representing a northern state with the exception of Arkansas which she abandoned as too good for.

Arkansas was her best state during the primaries, so I highly doubt that the voters there think she left them because she was "too good for them." They just named the Little Rock National Airport in honor of her and Bill. Some even argue that her not being the nominee was the reason why Arkansas swung so heavily Republican in 2008.

As per religion, here is what I was able to find per The Association of Religion Data Archives (ARDA):

ARIZONA

• 62.77% Unclaimed/Not Religious

• 14.55% Catholic
• 11.93% Evangelical Protestant
• 6.18% Mormon
• 2.69% Mainline Protestant
• 0.19% Black Protestant

GEORGIA
• 49.17% Unclaimed/Not Religious

• 29.45% Evangelical Protestant
• 8.83% Mainline Protestant
• 6.16% Catholic
• 3.94% Black Protestant
• 0.81% Mormon

Also, in terms of veterans, Arizona has 11.02% whereas Georgia's is 9.43% statewide among the total adult (18+) civilian population.

She did very well amongst Democrats. She will have to compete for votes from Independents and Republicans too in the general election. The reason Arkansas swung so heavily Republican in 2008 was due to trends and Obama being a terrible candidate for such states.
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