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« on: July 14, 2014, 09:13:12 AM »

The soda thing is really silly, I mean come on does anyone think just limiting the max size is going to cause a decrease in obesity in NYC? Imagine if Bushie was limited to the max soda size he could order and how much of an effect that'd have. Very pointless regulation.

However that is far from the main reason he's a HP.
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2014, 12:02:36 PM »

The soda thing is really silly, I mean come on does anyone think just limiting the max size is going to cause a decrease in obesity in NYC? Imagine if Bushie was limited to the max soda size he could order and how much of an effect that'd have. Very pointless regulation.

However that is far from the main reason he's a HP.

It actually might make a difference though if people just tend to buy smaller sodas.  If you drink one soda per day, a 20 ounce coke is 234 calories vs. a 16 ounce coke is 187 calories.  Considering those are just empty calories, 47 Calories or 100 calories if you drink 2 sodas per day, that would make a difference over a long period of time.  The question is whether people would just find other ways to drink more soda. 

How many people drink one soda per day in the type affected by the regulation though? Even those that want more would just buy more in bottles unaffected by it. I myself never buy the max size of a fountain drink anyway because drinking all that at once gives me a stomachache. I can't see how it can make any actual difference in total consumption.
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2014, 12:06:25 PM »

Most cyclists in major US cities are too poor to afford a car.

Erm, I HIGHLY doubt that's true. Ignoring the fact that it's not a either/or situation and many probably also have cars (like I myself use both), most people riding around on $600 fixed gear bikes aren't doing it out of poverty.

Not having a car because you can efficiently travel without one is not a bad decision by any means, nor one that should be discouraged, but the majority of cyclists anywhere are not doing it because of poverty. But Cathcon's whining is quite silly, because making the city more bike-friendly is designed to LESSEN the type of things he's complaining about.
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2014, 01:22:21 PM »

The soda thing is really silly, I mean come on does anyone think just limiting the max size is going to cause a decrease in obesity in NYC? Imagine if Bushie was limited to the max soda size he could order and how much of an effect that'd have. Very pointless regulation.

However that is far from the main reason he's a HP.

It actually might make a difference though if people just tend to buy smaller sodas.  If you drink one soda per day, a 20 ounce coke is 234 calories vs. a 16 ounce coke is 187 calories.  Considering those are just empty calories, 47 Calories or 100 calories if you drink 2 sodas per day, that would make a difference over a long period of time.  The question is whether people would just find other ways to drink more soda. 

How many people drink one soda per day in the type affected by the regulation though? Even those that want more would just buy more in bottles unaffected by it. I myself never buy the max size of a fountain drink anyway because drinking all that at once gives me a stomachache. I can't see how it can make any actual difference in total consumption.

That's a silly argument.  People are not that logical when it comes to eating/drinking.  If people were logical, they would never drink soda at all.  Nobody is saying, I want between 18-20 oz of soda, I need to buy a that much to quench my thirst.  People just grab something and if what's in front of them is slightly smaller, they'll probably just drink less.  If what they grab is bigger, they'll drink the entire thing, even if it gives them a stomach ache.  So, it does make sense that the ban would have reduced soda consumption at least somewhat.  How much is debatable and you might be right that it wasn't worth regulating.

There's nothing "illogical" about drinking soda anymore than it's illogical to eat Big Macs, logic doesn't dictate you can only consume things that are healthy. What would be illogical would be to eat or drink something that is quite unhealthy when someone that's less unhealthy and that have at least equal preference to the taste is available but yes there are plenty of cases where people would do that regardless. As far as the rest of your example goes, that sort of scenario still makes up a very small percentage of soda sold and drunk. I'm sure an overwhelming majority is bought and consumed at home, and even for ones bought on the go bottles are far more common.

But this isn't something that just has a neglible impact, it's also harmful in that sense as well. It sparked an outrage against Bloomberg that yes while silly, did destroy the credibility of public health regulations including ones that would be more effective. It's similar to how the Assault Weapons Ban and other ineffective gun control laws hurt gun control overall. Plus I'm sure the small decrease in consumption was offset by the idiots who decided to drink more in protest. And then there's how Bloomberg used a pretty undemocratic method to put it in place which is why the courts later threw it out, thus making the whole thing a pointless attention wasting spectacle. So it is something Bloomberg deserves criticism for, being well intentioned is not an excuse for such bad policy.

It is however quite low on the list of negative things I'd say about Bloomberg.
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