Do you stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I won't say the Pledge because I consider it idolatry. The only time I've ever been with it being recited was some political conventions, to which I simply remained seated.

For the National Anthem I'll stand but I won't salute the flag in any way.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Hey everybody, go check out the Bellamy salute, for the lols.  It's how children were "encouraged" to salute the flag during the PoA until 1942.





I wonder why they changed it.

TIL the Pledge was written by a literal socialist

You just learned that? It's pretty common knowledge.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

LOL would Wulfric think wearing a band shirt to church is an offense to God?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I never wear shirts without collars outside the house, and I find church to be a great opportunity to wear madras bow ties, knit ties, cardigans, spectator shoes, and unstructured jackets that I don't normally wear to work.

This is the best post you've made in months.

I mean it might well be due to lack of competition, but still, ugh.

One of the best things about California is that I can come to class in t-shirt, shorts and sandals every day without anyone raising an eyebrow (the prof told me to wear shirts and regular pants when teaching section, but that's just because I look way too young so I have to find another way to project authority). I understand why non-BRTDish churches might require a more dignified attire, but Church should be the exception rather than the rule.

People should wear their best clothes for church. If 'best' isn't necessarily that great, then that's absolutely okay, but anyone middle-class or above should dress essentially as Santander is suggesting. Of course churchgoers shouldn't judge one another for their attire (churchgoers shouldn't really be focusing on one another at all during most parts of a service) but people should make the choice for themselves to honor God by dressing up at least a little.

Uh by that logic since I make enough to buy at least one suit (especially since you can get one that isn't like an expensive Italian suit for under $100 at Kohl's) I should get one and wear that to church. Where if I did everyone would assume I was trying to be "ironic" or something. But even if this was just limited to the "nice" clothes I already own (which are basically just for job interviews and weddings)...what if I'm doing other stuff in the day? Like I've gone to a show right after church before, and I'm not going to stop and change afterwards. Or if I went to a movie or some sort of Ingress trip beforehand, etc.

And what's wrong with wearing Christian hardcore band shirts to church? Seems pretty appropriate to me.

Besides wouldn't outdressing the person preaching be a little odd? (Although I suppose I have done this before, as once the girl preaching was wearing a tank top and jeans that had pre-cut holes in them completely up and down both ways, I was at least wearing a T-shirt and jeans without holes. Also I never wear flip flops, due to believing that only women ever should and men should not, so there's that too since one of the pastors really likes them.)

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I never wear shirts without collars outside the house, and I find church to be a great opportunity to wear madras bow ties, knit ties, cardigans, spectator shoes, and unstructured jackets that I don't normally wear to work.

This is the best post you've made in months.

I mean it might well be due to lack of competition, but still, ugh.

One of the best things about California is that I can come to class in t-shirt, shorts and sandals every day without anyone raising an eyebrow (the prof told me to wear shirts and regular pants when teaching section, but that's just because I look way too young so I have to find another way to project authority). I understand why non-BRTDish churches might require a more dignified attire, but Church should be the exception rather than the rule.

People should wear their best clothes for church. If 'best' isn't necessarily that great, then that's absolutely okay, but anyone middle-class or above should dress essentially as Santander is suggesting. Of course churchgoers shouldn't judge one another for their attire (churchgoers shouldn't really be focusing on one another at all during most parts of a service) but people should make the choice for themselves to honor God by dressing up at least a little.

Uh by that logic since I make enough to buy at least one suit (especially since you can get one that isn't like an expensive Italian suit for under $100 at Kohl's) I should get one and wear that to church. Where if I did everyone would assume I was trying to be "ironic" or something. But even if this was just limited to the "nice" clothes I already own (which are basically just for job interviews and weddings)...what if I'm doing other stuff in the day? Like I've gone to a show right after church before, and I'm not going to stop and change afterwards. Or if I went to a movie or some sort of Ingress trip beforehand, etc.

And what's wrong with wearing Christian hardcore band shirts to church? Seems pretty appropriate to me.

Besides wouldn't outdressing the person preaching be a little odd? (Although I suppose I have done this before, as once the girl preaching was wearing a tank top and jeans that had pre-cut holes in them completely up and down both ways, I was at least wearing a T-shirt and jeans without holes. Also I never wear flip flops, due to believing that only women ever should and men should not, so there's that too since one of the pastors really likes them.)

You know how I feel about the way your church does things in general, but, since you are going there, no, I suppose you shouldn't make yourself stand out excessively.

But...that's not abnormal. No one but olds dresses up at Lutheran churches here either. Besides if everyone was expected to dress up that would scare a lot of people away and most people who go to churches like that don't want to dress up (myself included), so it'd be counterproductive to expect that.

Should we tell BRTD that his church isn't actually a church or do we let the charade continue?

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