Have leftist Christians ever caused any problems?

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based off this thread: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=31399.0

As pointed out, you can point toward all religions for terrorists and brutal regimes, and and atheists such as Stalin. But all such religious problem causers, at least Christian ones, have been right wing.

Now what left wing Christian terrorists have there ever been? What leftist Christians ever set up a brutal regime and tortured and killed many of different religions? Doesn't happen! The only thing I can think of as mentioned in that thread is a few liberation theologists in Latin America.

So basically, we leftist Christians have nothing to be ashamed of, we're vritually spotless. It's only right wing religious zealots that cause all the problems.

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Brutal regimes, no, but "problems;" hmmmm...I seem to remember a guy named Jesus causing some hullaballoo a couple thousand years ago.  Maybe he can't be considered a Christian...but that left-wing sect he spawned...hoo boy!  Did they ever challenge society!

Ah yes, but that was a good thing. Thomas Jefferson and George Washington caused some "problems" too.

Um the Inquisition?

How the hell were they leftist?

Well, given that you'd say that every single person starting what you'd consider a problem is rightist, then by your definitions, leftist Christians have not started any problems.

Stalin wasn't a rightist. Mao wasn't a rightist. I'd say they were problems.

In terms of people YOU consider leftists, can you name any leftist Christian terrorists or brutal regimes?

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I would cite some of the leftist Christians involved in the anti-war movement in the 1960's and the disarmament movement of the 1980's, especially the Barrigan Brothers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Berrigan

Did they kill anyone? No. In fact did they use violence of any type? Nope! All they fought for was peace. Trying to get the US out of Vietnam and preventing nuclear war is sure a good thing in my eyes.

How exactly where they right wing? Didn't they advocate getting rid of religion, collectivising the economy, getting rid of public gun ownership, ect?

Exactly my point. I said they WEREN'T right wing. Thus rebuking his point that I would consider anyone I don't like a rightist.

You said above "Probably", so I ask, what leftist Christian terrorist groups exist? Muslims got al-Qaeda, Christians got Army of God/Eric Rudolph and the like, but those guys are definately right wing. What left wing equivalent exists?

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Latin American liberation theolgy of course comes to mind.

Was mentioned, although most did far more good than harm. Was Oscar Romero a bad guy?

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What exactly is a "leftist Christian" though?

Someone who's both leftist and Christian.

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Since you think the horse**** called "leftism" is good, obviously you're not going to think they caused any "problems."

Stalin and Mao caused problems.

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That therefore rebukes your claim that I think no leftist has ever caused problems.

As to the original question, I suppose you also could include some people in Lebanon, like the Lebanese Armed Revolutionary Faction, although the things they did were very very minor compared to the Muslims and right wing Christian Falange.

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What exactly is a "leftist Christian" though?

Someone who's both leftist and Christian.

Define "leftist" then

Er, someone with left wing politics.

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Er, someone with left wing politics.

That's a little vauge... what do you mean by left wing? Marxist? (that's what the word "leftist" makes me think of, btw)... a left wing American liberal? Or... ?

Both of them fall under the banner. Yeah it's vague, but also very broad.

If you're saying that only Marxists are "leftist", then you're also saying that all leftists must be atheist, hence rendering the question pointless.

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Latin American liberation theolgy of course comes to mind.

Was mentioned, although most did far more good than harm. Was Oscar Romero a bad guy?

Anyne who actually wants a nation to become commnist is in a sense a bad guy.

But Romero was not a communist.

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thought I'd bump this.

I love dazzleman's reply. He basically concedes my point.

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thought I'd bump this.

I love dazzleman's reply. He basically concedes my point.

Keep drinking your kool-aid.

So why can't you give any examples to the contrary?

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thought I'd bump this.

I love dazzleman's reply. He basically concedes my point.

Keep drinking your kool-aid.

So why can't you give any examples to the contrary?

I could if I cared to.  You're not worth my time.  Your theory is inane.

If it was inane it could be disproved. You probably think Berrigan is one example like J.J. did when all he did was end US action in Vietnam which is a good thing.

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LMAO.

No good rebuttals from dazzleman, hence I win this one.

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I have a great idea: how bout we get back on topic and stop the childish arguing?

Good idea.

thank you. i admire your decision. something tells me we wont get the same response out of BRTD

I'm not the one making pointless posts and refusing to give any valid arguments or examples.

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BRTD, the problem is, you like[ the things the leftists do

In every single case? Hmmm, let's see:

Cultural Revolution - No
Great Purges - No
Gulags - No
Khmer Rouge takeover - No

Hmmm, guess that's not true in every case.

as in the case of Berrigan brothers.  Normal people consider that "causing trouble."

Normal people think trying to put an end to pointless wars is "causing trouble"?

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Yes.  Al Sharpton has caused problems.

Hmmm, valid point there. Still, he's not a terrorist or dictator, so if he's the worst we have, we're still better off than every other group.

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Yes.  Al Sharpton has caused problems.

Hmmm, valid point there. Still, he's not a terrorist or dictator, so if he's the worst we have, we're still better off than every other group.

I found another leftist Christian who has caused problems!



Now the answer is pluralized.

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Yes.  Al Sharpton has caused problems.

Hmmm, valid point there. Still, he's not a terrorist or dictator, so if he's the worst we have, we're still better off than every other group.

I found another leftist Christian who has caused problems!



Now the answer is pluralized.

How so?

He wasn't a terrorist or a dictator, and he didn't kill anyone.