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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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« on: June 28, 2006, 11:06:06 AM »


I think that once they regain control of Gaza, the Israeli's should "deport" all Hamas/Fatah fighters to the West Bank and offer the innocent Palestinians citizenship (after proper screening) to Israel.  That would send a clear signal across the Palestinian's bow that they are living on Israeli land, and they have the right to take it back if the Palestinian state does no police themselves properly.

Except that:

1-They are not living on Israeli land, a position that no country in the world disputes, including Israel and the US (In fact, Israel tried to give Gaza back to Egypt in the 80s)
2-Most Palestineans, including the ones not involved in terrorism, don't want Israeli citizenship.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
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Posts: 113,432
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2006, 11:18:06 PM »

Another problem with Zionism is even if one accepts the rather ridiculous idea that someone has the right to a land because their ancestors lived there 2000 years ago, this still doesn't apply to a good amount if not sizable majority of Jews as they are not actually mostly descended from the ancient Twelve Tribes of Israel, but rather the Kazhars, a Caucasian kingdom that converted to Judaism in the 8th century. Most of the original Jews remaining were assimilated and many Palestineans probably have just as much ancestry, and of course there has been so much mixing back then you could probably find some Mexican peasant with as much Jewish ancestry as a Jewish Brooklyn accountant.

Of course we just can't get rid of Israel now and some sort of peace two state agreement needs to be reached, but the fantaticism of hardcore Zionist nationalists and fundie Zionist loons (who basically take the position that if Israel were to nuke Berlin tommorow as some sort of retroactive retribution for the Holocaust it would be perfectly justifable and nothing Israel does can ever be opposed, I remember jmfcst actually basically saying that to me.) doesn't even make sense genetically (of course, neither did many Nazi beliefs).
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2006, 11:19:03 PM »

That's a bit of a stretch, ag.  76% of the population are Jewish, 16% Muslim, 2% Christian, and a few other small sects.  They can still structure their nation off of Jewish principals and remain a democracy without 100% of the nation being Jewish. 

Give the people in the Occupied Territories citizenship and the percentage of Jews would drop quite a bit. Considering that Palestinean birth rates are much higher than ethnic Jews, you'd have a Jewish minority in about a generation.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
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Posts: 113,432
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2006, 10:35:45 PM »

You said that the US must support Israel regardless of what it does because "it's better to be opposed by non-Zionist nations than a Zionist God"

This is getting absolutely ridiculous by the way, considering that this is all about one soldier. Even if the Israeli army is all you care about, one Israeli soldier has been killed already, so it's already not worth it on a utilitarian scale. Not to mention Israel is just making more abductions and killings of their military even more likely with this...
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