EU Parliament overwhelmingly votes in favour of the country Palestine

[MalaspinaGold]

Meanwhile, the European Union Court of Justice removed Hamas from their list of terror groups for "lack of evidence".

I'll quote what I said on facebook:

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Edit: From what I understand, it's analogous to forgetting to Mirandize someone, except you get to try them over again for the same crimes.

[MalaspinaGold]

The Austrian Greens don't support Palestinian statehood? What kind of right-wing GINOs are they?!

No, they do - in general. But they prefer to be a peace deal ahead of recognition, because they fear that otherwise it could further destabalize the situation there between ISR and PAL.

That's the ultimate moderate hero stance. In fact, the EU Parliament didn't vote a full recognition. It's conditioned to a pace deal to please EPP. Given that progress in conversations is highly unlikely with the current Israeli administration, the usual consensus making in the EP has brought a declaration of good intentions which is of no use. Bibi won't care, give it for granted.

Meanwhile, the European Union Court of Justice removed Hamas from their list of terror groups for "lack of evidence".

I'll quote what I said on facebook:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Edit: From what I understand, it's analogous to forgetting to Mirandize someone, except you get to try them over again for the same crimes.

True. Hamas was defined as a terrorist organisation by the EU on a very weak basis. According to the judges, the definition was not based on events considered by the EU authorities, only on factual charges provided by the press and the internet.

It should be noted that at the same time many groups are conflicted on this as it can possibly result in a propaganda windfall for Bibi "standing up to the world", in the middle of an election season. If the US does veto the UNSC bid, it will be for that reason. It remains to be seen whether or not that was Grune's intention.

[MalaspinaGold]

I still think a 3-state solution is the only viable one, but I could never see anyone convincing Egypt to take Gaza. Jordan taking the West Bank, maybe.

No one wants a 3-state solution except Americans who know nothing about Arabs.

No one wants a one state except right wingers and macbook marxists (actual Israeli communists were the first to devise and support the two-state)

[MalaspinaGold]

I still think a 3-state solution is the only viable one, but I could never see anyone convincing Egypt to take Gaza. Jordan taking the West Bank, maybe.

No one wants a 3-state solution except Americans who know nothing about Arabs.

I'm very aware: I said most viable, not most popular.

Similarly, I'd say that even though very few people claim to "want" large territory transfers between Israel and Palestine, I think that would have to be an integral part of any viable two-state solution.

Which is exactly why the two-state solution is not viable, especially as long on one side gets to decide unilaterally what gets transferred.

Why do you think making Palestine take the Arab triangle would make the two state solution non-viable?

Because of all the choice plums Israel would insist on taking for itself.

A Palestine that is a collection of Bantustans and ghettos is not and never will be acceptable to the Palestinians.  A Palestine that includes none of Jerusalem is not and never will be acceptable.

Agreed. Which is why the almost-completed Olmert-Abbas agreement, which gave East Jerusalem to Palestine, and only 2 (possibly 3) settlement blocs kept by Israel would objectively have been a decent agreement.

Anyway, no one has really been able to explain why the two state solution has become dead... Israeli settlers can always become citizens of Palestine (the Froman idea), or they can be evacuated, which would be ugly, but not a tenth as bad as what a clusterinks a one state solution would become.