Toddler shoots mom at Idaho Walmart.

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Ah the joys of concealed carry.

So we should ban people from carrying guns because kids might get their hands on them? By that reasoning all gun ownership should be banned since kids are more likely to get their hands on guns in a house than on someone's person.

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Not at all. The 2nd Amendment is archaic and is the irrational product of a bunch of paranoid revolutionaries.  Many of our domestic gun violence problems can be traced to a glut of firearms (the average amount of guns per capita is staggering); so long as legal distribution and possession is possible, guns will easily be accessible for crime, black market transactions, and accidents.

Yeah, prohibiting stuff always does such a good job at ensuring that that stuff can't be obtained, transported, and sold in black markets. Just look at how well it's worked with drugs!

[Deus Naturae]

Ah the joys of concealed carry.

So we should ban people from carrying guns because kids might get their hands on them? By that reasoning all gun ownership should be banned since kids are more likely to get their hands on guns in a house than on someone's person.

Yes, yes exactly! Finally you damn fool libertarians are starting to understand!

I knew someone would say that lol. But my point is, if you think that this is evidence that guns should be banned, just say so instead of complaining about concealed carry.

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I don't support a blanket ban on guns but I certainly support a ban on concealed carry. So I don't see what was wrong with my statement.

It makes no sense to use this incident as an example of why concealed carry should be banned. Situations involving a child obtaining a gun are more likely to occur inside a home than if the gun is on someone's person.

[Deus Naturae]

Not at all. The 2nd Amendment is archaic and is the irrational product of a bunch of paranoid revolutionaries.  Many of our domestic gun violence problems can be traced to a glut of firearms (the average amount of guns per capita is staggering); so long as legal distribution and possession is possible, guns will easily be accessible for crime, black market transactions, and accidents.

Yeah, prohibiting stuff always does such a good job at ensuring that that stuff can't be obtained, transported, and sold in black markets. Just look at how well it's worked with drugs!

Actually, it's worked fairly well with drugs that aren't growable or easily made from commonly available materials.

Such as? Cocaine is growable but it's grown almost exclusively outside of the United States (just as guns would continue to be manufactured abroad were they to be banned in the US), yet prohibition hasn't been very effective in reducing the use of that substance.

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It is a very obvious drawback of carrying a gun everywhere you go for no logical reason.

This woman was a victim of her own paranoia and stupidity and got what she deserved. If only she knew it was ultimately more dangerous for her to have a gun than it was for "the criminals" to have them.

I agree that this woman was stupid, though not necessarily because she took it to Wal Mart (we don't know what the town is like or what else she was doing that day), but because she put it in her freaking purse. If you're going to carry outside, you should use a holster. I'm sure if Dead0man were still active (whatever happened to him?) he'd make one of his "darwin" comments (except this time it would actually be appropriate).

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Coca is grown outside the US for economic reasons, not because coca can't be grown here. Up until the recent advent of legal marijuana, most marijuana in the US was imported too. 

The only strengthens my argument. My point is that just because something can't be produced in the US, that doesn't mean that it won't be transported, sold, and used within the US.

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That's because the DEA went to other countries and pressured/assisted their governments in going after the production of methaqualone powder. This strategy be unrealistic and destructive if attempted with firearms (plus similar efforts against coca production in South America haven't gone great either).

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Use in suicide is not a reason to ban anything. You think a suicidal person really cares about the instrument they use?

Do you have evidence that guns are used more in domestic violence than in other crimes like homicide, theft, etc?