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« on: July 06, 2015, 01:08:53 PM »



Anyone remember this? Really, I don't get it. What did you want Hillary to do? She's not even SecDef,
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2015, 04:03:07 AM »
« Edited: July 07, 2015, 04:08:34 AM by Senator Blair »

If you take conspiracy theories about Benghazi or Vince Foster seriously, you're a crazy Republican hack.  You're just embarrassing yourselves.

In the end, the Republican nominee for President is going to have to oppose Hillary Clinton on the issues. There are a ton of skeletons in her closet, but the media and the Democratic Party will find excuses for the Clintons as they have for the last two decades. Hillary Clinton is unfit to lead.

But, in the end, this election is about the future of our economy and our security.

Hillary Clinton is running for Barack Obama's third term. We have the lowest labor participation rate since 1980, record low business start-up rates, massive underemployment, the worst economic recovery since the great depression, wages barely keeping pace with inflation, and a record national debt. That's the record Hillary Clinton will run on, in addition to her own record of opposing tax cuts and voting against funding our troops in a war she voted for.



Oh yeah, you remember the 2008 crash? You know the one that the GOP pretty much failed to prevent?

But please, run on the economy. It worked great in 2012 didn't it? Obama has got unemployment below what Mitt 47% Romney would have, he's got 18 million people with healthcare, he's got new relations with Cuba, he's saved the detriot car industry, pumped tons back into the economy through stimulus and quite frankly done an impressive job after the US was ed by 8 years with the worse President since Herbert Hoover.

You want higher wages? Support a higher minimum wage.

You want higher labor rates? Cut anti-union laws, scrap 'right to work'. Unions raise pay, conditions and economic activity.

You want higher employment? Why didn't the GOP support the stimulus act or the saving of car industry?

You want lower national debt? Maybe cut one of the 10 Super-Carriers, cut the funding to big oil, pull the troops out of Germany, reduce tax loopholes, have a higher tax rate for billionaires. You don't lower the national debt through cutting taxes

At least Obama will be able to attend the 2016 convention, unlike Bush and Cheney who were hid away like a bad smell
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2015, 08:37:29 AM »

We don't know what happened and probably won't know what happened with Benghazi.

Alright then, to all the Pro-Hillary supporters on here, would you rather protesters ask questions detailing foreign policy failures in Honduras/Nicaragua, spying on Germany and France, Russian relations, Israeli relations, etc. while Clinton was Secretary of State?


Well the Germany spying thing started back in 2002, and I know that congressional oversight of NSA has been absolutely awful so that's something that HRC needs to run on.
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2015, 08:58:40 AM »

If you take conspiracy theories about Benghazi or Vince Foster seriously, you're a crazy Republican hack.  You're just embarrassing yourselves.

In the end, the Republican nominee for President is going to have to oppose Hillary Clinton on the issues. There are a ton of skeletons in her closet, but the media and the Democratic Party will find excuses for the Clintons as they have for the last two decades. Hillary Clinton is unfit to lead.

But, in the end, this election is about the future of our economy and our security.

Hillary Clinton is running for Barack Obama's third term. We have the lowest labor participation rate since 1980, record low business start-up rates, massive underemployment, the worst economic recovery since the great depression, wages barely keeping pace with inflation, and a record national debt. That's the record Hillary Clinton will run on, in addition to her own record of opposing tax cuts and voting against funding our troops in a war she voted for.



Oh yeah, you remember the 2008 crash? You know the one that the GOP pretty much failed to prevent?

But please, run on the economy. It worked great in 2012 didn't it? Obama has got unemployment below what Mitt 47% Romney would have, he's got 18 million people with healthcare, he's got new relations with Cuba, he's saved the detriot car industry, pumped tons back into the economy through stimulus and quite frankly done an impressive job after the US was ed by 8 years with the worse President since Herbert Hoover.

You want higher wages? Support a higher minimum wage.

You want higher labor rates? Cut anti-union laws, scrap 'right to work'. Unions raise pay, conditions and economic activity.

You want higher employment? Why didn't the GOP support the stimulus act or the saving of car industry?

You want lower national debt? Maybe cut one of the 10 Super-Carriers, cut the funding to big oil, pull the troops out of Germany, reduce tax loopholes, have a higher tax rate for billionaires. You don't lower the national debt through cutting taxes

At least Obama will be able to attend the 2016 convention, unlike Bush and Cheney who were hid away like a bad smell

Millions of Americans lost their health insurance and the reason there are some who obtained it is because of the expansion of government-run health care. Millions of Americans are still having difficulty affording their insurance, an unsustainable path long tern. Obamacare has forced companies to cut hours and has therefore led to underemployment and reduced take home pay.

Obama's stimulus became a corporate welfare slush fund, this is the worst "recovery" since the great depression. Thanks to Dodd-Frank, while Wall Street is doing just fine, small businesses can't get a line of credit.

In the 1980s, the Reagan tax cuts led to a 99% increase in federal revenue. Even the Bush tax cuts led to a 44% increase in federal revenue. If you want to grow this economy, you have to substantially reduce tax rates but yes, loopholes and deductions should be closed or limited, I completely agree with you there.

some who obtained it? That's political bullsh**t! 18 million obtained it. Heck I'd value Obamacare for the simple fact that he puts HIV care at the centre of healthcare-I know the black and gay community dont matter to the GOP but sure run on taking away people's anti-viral drugs. That's a brilliant move for governance.

And okay, millions are struggling to pay for it? Make it a universal human right, where everyone gets free healthcare, and where people don't have to go into debt to simply survive. Because quite frankly that's how you make healthcare 100% affordable. Obamacare didn't go far enough.

Obamacare simply ended the 'job lock' and let people not be tied to a single job. As we've discussed many times private sector jobs have grown under Obama. He gave a tax cut to small businesses to help them grow, and gave them a 50% tax credit to pay for healthcare. I don't think people should be tied into a job purely to get health coverage

Tax cuts don't work. I mean not only did both Bush and Reagan massively increase the national debt, and deficit but they also massively increased income inequality. You can't have a massive gap, whether it's in healthcare or income. There are countless examples of how big tax cuts simply don't work-sure lets get low income workers out of tax but otherwise don't cut taxes for big business. Look what's happened in Kansas-they've lost 8% of there reveune in 2 years alone since Brownback. Reagan's tax cuts lead to the massive increase in the federal debt-plus the buildup of the military to 'defeat' the Soviet Union.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2015, 04:34:50 PM »
« Edited: July 07, 2015, 04:40:34 PM by Senator Blair »

If you take conspiracy theories about Benghazi or Vince Foster seriously, you're a crazy Republican hack.  You're just embarrassing yourselves.

In the end, the Republican nominee for President is going to have to oppose Hillary Clinton on the issues. There are a ton of skeletons in her closet, but the media and the Democratic Party will find excuses for the Clintons as they have for the last two decades. Hillary Clinton is unfit to lead.

But, in the end, this election is about the future of our economy and our security.

Hillary Clinton is running for Barack Obama's third term. We have the lowest labor participation rate since 1980, record low business start-up rates, massive underemployment, the worst economic recovery since the great depression, wages barely keeping pace with inflation, and a record national debt. That's the record Hillary Clinton will run on, in addition to her own record of opposing tax cuts and voting against funding our troops in a war she voted for.

Barack Obama is a great President, who won a majority of the vote, twice.  Republicans are not going to win by running on an economic populist message, if their solutions exclusively involve giving the rich even more of a leg up.

As far as Hillary goes, you've tried to create scandals for years.  They don't turn out to be anything.  Vince Foster is someone who committed suicide.  Benghazi was a terrorist attack, those happen under every President.  

There is no doubt that Barack Obama's electoral victory in 2008 was impressive. He won re-election, but was the first incumbent who won a smaller percentage of the popular vote when seeking re-election.

President Obama's policies have failed, he's lawless, and he has not united our country. There is no doubt this President inherited an economy in chaos, nobody disputes that. However, while Wall Street might be in a recovery, Main Street is still deep in recession. Millions of Americans are unable to find full-time employment, unable to purchase food without help from the government, and small businesses are unable to expand and create new jobs. Be it Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, $80 billion in new economic regulations, new rules, or higher taxes, this President's policies have produced the worst economic recovery since the Great Depression. On top of that, the President's foreign policy has appeased Iran and Cuba, and it has no moral purpose or policy objectives. He's issued executive orders and has made no effort to work with members of both parties in congress on much of anything. The Democrats love to complain that Republicans voted against the 2009 stimulus, but then when Congressman Paul Ryan proposed reforming medicare and social security, the Democrats used scare tactics to try and stop his efforts.

Hillary Clinton is running for Barack Obama's third term. More lawlessness, failed economic policies, and a foreign policy without moral purpose or policy objectives.

I know Democrats love to claim the Clinton scandals are all just made up by Republicans. In the case of Monica Lewinsky, they are correct. But, that doesn't excuse Whitewater or Chinagate, and it certainly doesn't excuse Benghazi.

How do you unite America? As Mortimer says your not on the stump pal.

1 point, how has he appeased cuba? That implies that Cuba has come from a position of strength. You can't support an embargo on Cuba whilst not supporting one on Saudi Arabia.

I'm going to be controversial-the US has done more harm to the world, and it's own citizens than Cuba. Boom

Your like the worst advocate because all your problems need socialism.

You mention food stamps-the GOP want to cut them.

You mention employment-the GOP opposed saving Detroit, supports anti union action. Also YK it's not just about how many jobs, its the quality of the job.

You mention foreign policy-what's moral about maintaining an embargo on Cuba?

You mention executive orders-Every President does it
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2015, 04:17:45 AM »




I'd like to address all of your points:

1) This is my view, based on the facts I know

2) By lifting the embargo on Cuba, we are stating that we are okay with an oppressive regime. Certain pre-conditions should have to have been met before we lift any embargoes. Human rights and extradition are the top two. This policy of appeasement won't help in the fight for human rights or advance our justice system

3) The U.S. led the liberation of Europe during WW2. We stopped North Korea from oppressing South Korea. We defended Kuwait and later Iraqis from Saddam Hussein. Be it in advancing freedom, finding cures to diseases, sending aid to the poor, or providing food to the hungry, America has made the world a better place

4) Actually, spending on food stamps doubled during the eight years of the Bush administration, in six of those eight years, we had a Republican congress. Republicans doubled funding for food stamps. So your claim has no merit based on recent history.

5) What we need is capitalism, not socialism. Look, I get that there has to be a safety net. You need short term disability, unemployment insurance, and there are folks who do require some government assistance. But only those truly in need should have access to these programs, and when we see this increase in the size of the welfare state, it represents a weakened economy.

6) Why should taxpayers be expected to bailout the City of Detroit when Detroit won't even help themselves? Has Detroit ever cracked down on crime and promoted public safety the way Rudy Giuliani did in New York City during the 1990s? No. As far as right to work, that is a tool for state's to become more competitive.

7) I think that the oppression of the Cuban people is immoral

Cool Your right, every President does sign executive orders. Only, this one likes to implement policy through his executive orders as opposed to simply creating or repealing administrative rules or creating commissions. It's not the number of executive orders, it's their outcome and this President has used executive orders to bypass congress

1.) What fight for human rights? The US tortures people on Cuban shores-they literally tore up the Geneva convention on human rights, and pretty much smashed any idea that the US supports human rights. Of course the US is okay with oppressive regimes- They were happy to help Iraq use chemicals weapons, remember?

2.) Please, where were the US when the bombs were falling in 1939? Or 1940? Without us socialist brits holding off the German air force and Army. If anything it was the Soviets who actually saved Europe from the Germans because even the UK/US Allied Army would have struggled against a united German Army. Anyway, your claims are completely sugarcoating History-your making the argument that because the US did 'good' (often to match geopolitical aims) Then it invalidates the bad, and trust me there was the a hell lot of bad in US foreign policy. 1953 Iran Coup where they overthrew a democratic government, Guatemala, overthrew a democratic government. Iran, supported the oppressive and brutal Shah for about 30 years, gave Saddam Hussein locations of where to aim his chemical weapons after selling him sh**t loads of Arms. You know why there's a major crisis in the Middle east-Because of the US and there cold war practice of supporting anyone who was anti-communist. I haven't even touched on the war of terror, but US foreign policy is a pet obsession of mine and quite frankly it's incorrect to claim that the US has done more good than bad. Literally for every 'good' story there's 10 absolutely awful borderline war crimes. Heck even Cuba do more for Global healthcare than the US does

3.) Yes it does, my claim has complete merit on recent history. Do some research They proposed this budget, cutting 11 million people off They also cut it by $8 million in the recent farm bill of 2014

4.) It doesn't. Your rather weak claim to support a 'safety net' is shown to be false by the fact that the GOP want to cut food stamps-something that people literally rely on. You need workfare to help people get jobs, and to subsidy the fact that wages are so low. Again why do the GOP vote against a minimum wage if they want to help people with wages?

5.) Why did the banks expect a bailout when they acted like complete c**nts for 10 years, taking risks and basically sending out loans that never should. We live in a compassionate society, and well the political factors that would have resulted from it-higher unemployment, more poverty, a weakened economy. You just scream what's wrong with the US without saying how you fix you. I support the bailout of detriot because it's real people's lives, and the fact I'm not an elitist like you clearly are.

6.) I think the oppression of the Cuban people by Batista in the 1950's was immoral, yet you seem to support it. If you were President in the 1950's would you have boycotted Cuba?

7.) Yes, that's what every single President does. It's not just Obama-heck your buddy George Bush did it to approve torture
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