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« on: July 10, 2014, 05:01:43 AM »

Sorry for not participating here earlier, I was on holiday.
First of all - like TNF and others said, I highly doubt the GM's numbers. The Pacific is in his way of progress, but it does not go on that quickly. The worst thing we could do now is to stop the Stimuluses, that have accelerated that process.
And secondly - the Federal Government promised the Pacific help, in form of the three stimulus. Just because other regions would like to have their piece of cake now too, that does not legitimate to cancel the stimulus.

I already talked with Hagrid on this, and we in the Pacific will draw our proposal, and then post it here, to see what the committee has to say.
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2014, 03:39:17 AM »

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So, this would be the Pacific's proposal, as agreed upon by the council.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2014, 10:43:21 AM »

Of course a greater debate over the future of the Pacific is needed, but Hagrid asked for this thread being solely for discussing the stimulus bill, so I'll keep myself short with an answer. I already PMed Arturo Belano over the idea of a merger, but yet he has not responded. I would be in favour of a merger, but such a merger should be well debated and thoroughly prepared. Until then, I guess we have to take what we've got and keep the Pacific from collapsing entirely.
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2014, 01:56:10 PM »

Great! Of course, I'll send him a PM immediately.
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2014, 02:17:22 PM »

The problem is, in the current form we get to 10B, and we had to shrink some sums in order to get money for a tech grant... But I'd say propose a new section, and we'll see (take maybe 1B of the 2B in Section 5 - so you have 1B for your Tech Grant section, and it leaves 1B for the current section. It might very well be however that we won't need the current section 5- then you have 2B)
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2014, 02:12:34 AM »

Well, since both of you seem to notice the boards, I'll give my reasons for it. I just thought that the allocation of the money would go on more swiftly and efficient with there being boards to administer it. But yeah, my proposal would create a whole lot of bureaucracy. So I'll give a second proposal with the boards cut out in the afternoon, ok? 
And yes Hagrid, the unclarity (hopefully) is due to the language barrier - I usually draw a rough sketch in mind, but when I write it out, there are some specific termini I don't know how to say in English, so I usually pick the first one my dictionary offers me Tongue
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2014, 09:23:54 AM »

I wasn't offended at all, why should I? Really, just do what you feel to there.

I like your idea of funding smaller electro car companies. It's a great way to both create jobs and help the environment. I too like the idea of the solar panel funding. There is a similar program in Tirol (my state in Austria), where you'll get subsidied by the state if you buy and install solar panels, with the extra power being purchased by the statal power company. That program is however for everyone, not just farmers. Should we exceed to everyone too, or also just leave it to the farmers?
I also have another idea here. I don't know how this is in the states, but in Austria there is quite a range of products sold and produced under the "bio" label, that is to follow a certain set of standard outlined by a board somewhere, e.g. using no (or very few) chemicals for the production and the lot. It makes the production harder, but more climate efficient, and the farmers can sell the products for a higher price, if they follow the standards. We could fund farmers that want to start producing bio-food, which would increase their incomes and help the environment too? (That would again be a mixture between green and rural development Tongue)

What kind of paper did you write? For the university? Would you mind rewriting the Rural Development section then? You're certainly more expertised than everyone here.
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2014, 01:11:26 AM »

Great! I should be finished with rewriting section 1 sometime today...
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2014, 03:02:42 AM »

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This would be my rewrite of section 1, without bureaucracy.
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2014, 03:30:12 AM »

Any opinions on this?
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2014, 07:24:11 AM »

Thanks for outlining these plans, but I wonder if 2 Billions isn't to small a sum for all this?
Anyway, now to your proposals in single: Grants for hydrogen engine development are certainly a good idea, yet I don't know if that isn't better left to the Federal Government, as they have more money to spend? On the other hand this is a great idea, and what if we changed the sum to 3 Billions (we have left 2 Billions for a backup clause)?
Anyway, I also like your proposal in recycling institutions and cooperatives. This would require effort from the people of the Pacific too, however, and we'd certainly need a program to make it easier (eg require dustbin manufacturers to paint all plastic dustbins black and all organic rubbish dustbins green or whatever), but that should be left to the Council for after the passing of the Stimulus, after all they need to do something Tongue
Finally, I don't know if funding of methane combustion thermoelectrical power plants is such a great idea. After all, CO2 is produced there, of course on the expense of Methane, but CO2 is CO2. I'd rather see our cities reduce their methane emissions more, but therefore we don't need the stimulus.
Thank you for your input!
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2014, 02:57:41 AM »

I'm really sorry, but this thread is not for any discussions regarding the future of the Pacific or the necessity of Stimuluses, but just for the debate of the Pacific's proposal for the second stimulus. Hagrid already stated that multiple times, and I want to remind of that.

By the way, Hagrid, I don't want to rush you, but didn't you say you'd present a rewrite of the Rural Development section?
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2014, 03:30:03 AM »

Aren't edificies buildings?
I wanted this clause to be that the government would task private companies with refurbishing buildings of the Reg Gov that they are more environmentally efficient... Feel free to rewrite that section though that it becomes clearer...
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2014, 02:43:22 AM »

I think so as well, researching hydrogen engines is good, but not suited for the Stimulus money.

Anyway, I fully agree with your proposal Hagrid, I don't think there is much left to say...
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2014, 03:06:38 PM »

I'll be getting to sleep soon, so I'll have to sign this now:

x TheCranberry, Governor of the Pacific
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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2014, 11:45:12 AM »

I'll go on and take your praise, thank you a lot guys Tongue
No really, I want to thank you, Hagrid. Without you, we would have never gotten it ready by the date, and it would be far below of the current version in terms of standards. Really thank you, Hagrid!
By the way, did it go in effect with the last signature, or does the president need to sign something too?
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