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Mr. Morden
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« on: October 14, 2013, 06:12:58 PM »

Just why was it so hard for the parties to sit down, like months ago, and negotiate, and then after both parties had laid out all their "demands," that could not be resolved, at least then if stuff is going to be shut down, one would know what was really at stake (e.g., what programs cut or expanded or not, what taxes raised, what entitlements cut or not cut, which programs more means tested, or not) - as opposed to empty rhetoric?  But I guess we had to go through this, so both sides could see how their respective PR campaigns moved the polls. Poll driven government in this context disgusts me.

This is just a deal to keep the status quo in place for 3 months, and kick the can down the road until January, Torie.  None of the underlying issues have been resolved yet.  Actual negotiations about the underlying issues haven't even really begun yet.

I think that 986 billion number is higher than the 965 billion number in the sequester (I may be off a bit in the exact number of billions), and in recent days, there was a lot of chat about upping spending from sequester levels. That at least is my sense of it. I could be wrong. Again, however, the main game was the debt limit increase, not the CR. Always has been.

$986 billion is the *current* sequester level.  By agreeing to this deal, the two parties are sticking with what 2011 budget agreement said would be the sequester spending level for this year.  However, there's another round of sequester cuts scheduled to kick in from January, which would bring annual discretionary spending down to $965 billion.  The Dems don't want discretionary spending to drop that low, but that'll be sorted in negotiations between now and January.  This deal funds the government until January 15 precisely because that's when the new sequester cuts kick in, so that those cuts can be part of the negotiations going forward.

EDIT: When you say "in recent days, there was a lot of chat about upping spending from sequester levels"....that's because in recent days, people were talking about passing a CR that goes beyond January.  Since this one only goes until January, they're skirting the issue.
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2013, 08:36:43 PM »

Here is the thumbnail sketch of the deal:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/14/the-senates-deal-to-end-the-shutdown-is-a-deal-to-fight-over-sequestration/?print=1

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House Republicans still haven't agreed to this, but Robert Costa says a "growing number" of House Republicans want Boehner to go along with whatever the Senate agrees to:

https://twitter.com/robertcostaNRO/status/389849761718624256
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2013, 08:27:29 AM »

Obviously, this is a very fluid situation, but Robert Costa reports that at least as of right now, this morning, House Republicans are not on board with the Senate deal, don't think Boehner will bring it up for a vote on the floor, and are still pushing a debt ceiling increase that lasts just six weeks:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361244/house-conservatives-revolt-robert-costa

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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2013, 08:33:46 AM »

https://twitter.com/robertcostaNRO/status/390105124736991232

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https://twitter.com/robertcostaNRO/status/390107003894251520

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So, yeah, if that's true, the House will ignore the Senate deal, and try to pass a debt ceiling extension with some Obamacare changes included.  If Obama and Reid are sticking to their guns and insisting on a clean debt ceiling extension, then they won't go along with this, and we have no deal.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2013, 06:13:15 PM »


But there's no indication as of yet that Boehner will bring the Senate deal up for a vote in the House.
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2013, 07:21:34 PM »

Boehner may be ready to give in, and bring the Senate deal up for a vote:

https://twitter.com/robertcostaNRO/status/390262082483916800

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https://twitter.com/robertcostaNRO/status/390263727154397184

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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2013, 07:40:46 AM »

Again, Robert Costa's Twitter feed is the go-to place for info from his GOP sources.  Sounds like the House Republicans are now just waiting around for the Senate deal to be formally announced by Reid and McConnell, so they can react.  No planned meeting of the House GOP caucus until that happens:

https://twitter.com/robertcostaNRO/status/390456339664601089

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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2013, 08:45:21 AM »

This is the remaining sticking point in the Senate deal, that hasn't yet been resolved:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/government-shutdown-debt-ceiling-default-update-98390.html

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The House Republican leadership is considering moving on the Senate compromise bill first:

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