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« on: August 14, 2014, 06:22:38 AM »

Of course we can interpret electoral statistics however we like, if we are the type of people interested in electoral statistics. The average person is more likely to hear about Turkish politics through stories like AKP politicians thinking they have the right to tell women that they shouldn't laugh in public. I think this is one reason why the anti-Erdogan sentiment is more heartfelt than, say, anti-Thai junta or even anti-Sisi sentiment: Turkey was once a secular Islamic country with democratic institutions (albeit flawed ones) on the way to EU membership, and it therefore appeared to be a living refutation of common negative perceptions of Islam, which have been a well-worn path to success among the far-right in Europe in the last 15 years. It's more difficult to refute them when Erdogan's ministers lecture women about laughter, when the brothers and the Sisi take over in Egypt, when the so-called "Islamic State" publicises its menace, and so on.

I think you're being a bit melodramatic. AKP are full of anti-women idiots, but conservative politicians making misogynistic gaffs is hardly an exclusively Islamic phenomenon.

Let's not forget that one of the drawbacks to European integration was the Turkish army's constant threats of coup's. That threat has largely ended. Erdogan has also been slightly better than the secularists in regards to Kurdish rights. As far as EU membership is concerned, well, I think it's fair enough to say that was never going to happen anyway. I'm surprised Turkey even bother keeping up the pretence.

The Kemalists would be best to emphasize worker's rights in regards to that coal mining disaster. Something to mobilise the war, once the shine comes off Turkish growth.
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2014, 10:57:20 AM »

Who are the CHP's main demographic target - elderly people nostalgic for Kemal or younger anti-Erdogan urbans?
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2014, 02:23:53 PM »

The Kemalist's predicament remind me of the Nehru-Gandhi's for some reason. They seem to expect that their history alone and being "secular" gives them the right to have the country.
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