The Irony Oremine

[Mr. Smith]

stop with the obsession about mccaskill.

[Mr. Smith]

What if Trump wasn't the one doing the taping...?

Wouldn't matter since he made illegal demands since it's not illegal to record conversations in and of itself.

None of that is confirmed yet you insist on operating with unestablished facts. Says a lot about a person.

[Mr. Smith]

Liberals are way too self-righteous and tend to insult everyone. That's the problem with them. Unfortunately, it's people like me, who is liberal but doesn't like insulting people, that get unfairly tarred when other fellow liberals have no social skills.

Says the man with a serious anti-California b*(er, and had that freak out and switch over to R and back for no reason.

[Mr. Smith]

Antifa is working hard to re-elect Trump.

Quoting Chomsky; I see that you're a man of high standards.

But dead0man, stop trying to strawman the left. We all know about your ulterior motives here...
"DAE THINK SOSHALIZM IS A VOILANT IDEA"

Can you act like you have an ounce of maturity, for once? My God, this is so cringe-inducing.

[Mr. Smith]

She's claimed that snipers were trying to shoot her, that she was treated like a slave and that she had the authority to remove Clinton from the ticket. Why is anyone even taking her word seriously?

Sniper attacks? Hillary definitely knows something about that.

No matter how much to continue to dwell on Hillary Clinton, it doesn't change that Trump is doing a terrible job.

So you're just going to completely dodge the part about Hillary lying about snipers aren't you?

If you want to bring that up, we should also bring up Trump telling bald face lies on average six times a day.

Everything you don't want to hear is a "lie."

[Mr. Smith]

Sorry Kal,

As one poster put in his signature:

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

- Abraham Lincoln, 16th President

[Mr. Smith]

I would also state that the idea that kids are sent to such programs just because they are "LGBT" is a canard and a copout. 

Parents are responsible for their childrens' sexual behavior.  What that means, quite honestly, is that teenagers under 18 aren't supposed to be having sex.  Any kind of sex.  Period.  Parents are responsible to control the sexual acting out of their teenagers, period. 

This may come as a shock to millenials, but that's the way it is.  Parents are responsible to curb their childrens' sexual activity.  I will say this:  If a teen is acting out sexually, and the only way to get that teen to stop is to sent him to a facility such as what is talked about in these articles, and the parents have the means to do so, then consider that what it is. 

Is the cure worse than the disease here?  Lots of folks complain about what they went through with medical procedures.  They didn't like the doctor or the hospital or the side effects of the meds, etc.  That they say they'd have been better off without the treatment is not necessarily so.

My daughter-in-law lives with the son I'm talking about, with us, and with our son, who was HER son that we adopted when their lives went sideways.  One of the conditions of her living with us is that she comply with her meds, which she's always bitching about.  Yes, her meds have side effects, but so does smoking spice, and Cannabis Psychosis is a real thing.  Yes, a psychotropic med may have contributed to seizures she suffers from, but what about the secret cocaine use that my son disclosed was a part of her life in past years?  (Shhhhhhhh.)  Her lot in life is not pleasant, but what she hates has kept her alive and kept her from not attempting suicide. 

Life, and its events, occur in a context.

I don't condone this sort of thing, but I will assure you that much of this stuff (whose legality is dubious) is a desperate measure taken (quite often) by desperate parents.

I have been a parent of a "troubled teen" (drugs, alcohol, and crime).  Aside from my concern for his life (he would have died of liver failure at 15 from drinking "shroom juice"), parents in our position have real concerns.  One is the concern for the civil liability we face for the actions of out-of-control teens.  We're on the hook for every stupid thing they do until they turn 18.  The other is concern for the rest of the family, especially when there are other kids at home; we are responsible for the harm the out-of-control sibling inflcts on other kids in the house.

Out of curiosity (sorry to hear about such  a non-ideal situation w/ your son) how was that resolved? Did you have him go to a troubled teen center?

No, I did not.  My wife and I didn't have that kind of money.  I would have been open to something like these programs if money were no object.

Our son was addicted to drugs, non-compliant with counseling, acting out in school to where I had him drop out before he was expelled, and outside of our control to where we were not able to stop him from his worst behaviors (and we tried), but still liable for his foolish actions while he was under 18.  And, yes, we went after him when he went out, got in between him and his criminal friends, worked with the school (knowing their whole goal was to kick him out) and even trying to get him into residential treatment. 

Here's the little kicker:  Unless your teenager is either (A) ordered by juvenile probation to a residential program, or (B) involuntarily committed by a court order to a mental health/substance abuse facility, a teenager, even one who is appropriate for treatment can give the middle finger to all concerned and refuse to enter treatment.  This is true even of Juvenile Probation programs; they can violate your kid, but the havoc between the violation report and actually re-taking the teenager can be limitless.  The law heaps responsibility on parents, but it provides them with amazingly few means to deal with situations gone sideways, and gives teens unbelievable "rights" to refuse interventions.

While I am skeptical of many of the treatment methods described in this articles, I also believe that many of the former inpatients of these programs aren't pure victims; they were teenagers who became beyond the control of their parents and who posed real problems for their parents.  Some of these teenagers acted in ways to where there was NEVER any kind of real peace in the home.  I know what that's about.  I remember the arguments I had with my wife where I would have to tell her to stop kidding herself.  Indeed,  my son didn't get any kind of recovery until, after being arrested as an adult, I persuaded the Court to require him to complete an inpatient program.  Once there, I insisted he go out of state to a long-term re-entry facility (which he hated at the time; he hooked up with some relapse-bound female in intensive treatment). 

I never seem to see these folks who have been sent, involuntarily, to these facilities, express any remorse for their behaviors that kept their homes in turmoil.  They paint a picture of parents who didn't care about them, magnified their misdeeds, were only interested in themselves, and presided over family dysfunction, and that may be true, but their own behavior was, very often, either the root of the dysfunction, or the catalyst that kept it going and intensifying.  Kids die in these programs, that's true, but kids die because they persuaded their parents to give them another chance to avoid a residential setting, and they spend the chance overdosing on drugs, driving drunk, etc.  Parents get most of the blame for what these kids do, and it's true that parents are responsible for kids until their 18, but teenagers are autonomous human beings that make decisions and act on them.  They have wills of their own and can carry their will out to varying extents. 

Parents are under a real gun to control their teenagers' behaviors, but many lack the effective resources to do so.  That rich parents have those resources and go to these extremes, I'm not going to criticize.  And I WOULD like to see some teen product of such a program actually voice some remorse for the damage THEY inflicted on their family, instead of whining about how their parents "threw them away", etc.  Not taking responsibility for one's own actions is a habit that can sometimes last a lifetime, if enabled enough.

This man should not be a parent.

At least he'll have the opportunity to, well you know, actually love and be loved enough to produce a child . Can't say that about you nor can I?

[Mr. Smith]

Probably, because he doesn't implicitly say the n-word enough times, so R voters are gonna throw him out.

Probably why he's retiring.

Shut up you racist.

Just because you and Saint and the other Atlas RINO's say it's not true doesn't make it so.

Burr is retiring anyway.
But seriously you’re stupid trolling is getting old.

That actually isn't trolling lol

You are stupid trolling tho

[Mr. Smith]

Probably, because he doesn't implicitly say the n-word enough times, so R voters are gonna throw him out.

Probably why he's retiring.

Shut up you racist.

Just because you and Saint and the other Atlas RINO's say it's not true doesn't make it so.

Burr is retiring anyway.
But seriously you’re stupid trolling is getting old.

That actually isn't trolling lol

You are stupid trolling tho

Not sure whether or not you realize I was mocking Greedo's poor grammar, lol.

That's utterly beside the point.

[Mr. Smith]

Foot fetishists are weirdos and creep me out, and that's really saying something.

[Mr. Smith]

Foot fetishists are weirdos and creep me out, and that's really saying something.

The irony here was fully intentional...  hence; "and that's really saying something".

Intentional or not, it's still peak irony.

[Mr. Smith]

Sacramento. I don't like the cold.

Considering which state she's from originally...

What? Not all posts here have to be sick burns or "gotchas".

[Mr. Smith]

This Emily's List character we've found here is quite frigid isn't she?

Why get so hysterical over one post?

[Mr. Smith]

This is a situation that purely depends on the circumstances. If a jerk who called be a dork and 4 eyes or whatever back in school encounters me at a social gathering, and while being a good person apologizes to me after remembering who I am - sure! Not the same if I get a "Hey, sorry for being rude to you" from a guy who ruthlessly tried to hurt me or something.

I don't understand how psychology works and I've never been the victim of bullying.

Get over it.

why do you sound like an angsty 15 year old?

[Mr. Smith]

FF, and the best president since WWII (not a hack).

[Mr. Smith]

Weird that personal attacks are apparently considered much worse than blatant racism.

"He may hate black people, but at least he isn't a meanie!"

Yeah, seriously. The mods let fascists run amok here because they are "forum institutions".

[Mr. Smith]

Come to think of it, he was very similar to South Park!

Edgy and trying to be "shocking" and "offensive" but really just being very very dull in the process. And never in any way even remotely funny. Exactly like South Park.

[Mr. Smith]

That isn't true outside of your insular world of paranoia, resentment, and fear tho.

[Mr. Smith]

Quote from: Calthrina950 on Today at 05:50:44 pm
HP. One of the rudest and most profane users on this forum.

[Mr. Smith]

Hillgoose you know you’re a sociopath right?

Not that he's wrong, mind you.

[Mr. Smith]

Yep. People are just fed up with bringing in tens of thousands of third world folks with no skills, educations, or cultural ties to the country they are moving to. It makes no sense why anyone in Europe accepted these refugees in the first place and it is entirely the reason why far right, often racist parties are making gains everywhere. If the left were willing to stand up for the citizens of their own countries they could make life better for everyone in those countries. Instead they are focused on being citizens of the world - as noble as that is, it is undeniably worse in terms of outcomes for your own people, as we have seen time and time again.

I’ll take “Things people here said about the Irish and Italians” for 500 Alex

and those things were absolutely true and the only reason it didn't lead to disaster is because we listened to the immigration restrictionists and started seriously limiting immigration for 50 years between 1924 and 1965.

As a someone with Irish immigrant heritage is like to offer the following rebuttal https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bBK44jR7PO4

How very ethno-centric of you.

[Mr. Smith]

Scalise. Definitely Scalise.

He's the most natural fit for the alt-right/white-nationalist theme the Republican Party is now taking under Trump. McCarthy and some of the other old guard, bless them, come from a different time.

Hysterical, borderline defamatory hyperbole like this is part of the reason he was almost murdered

the republicans are always claiming the democrats are radical crazy antifa leftists when they would considered center to center right in any other country. Of course, you and the GOP don't get up madabout the mail bomber or hate attacks against minorities.

Nice whataboutism. Quit deflecting and acknowledge that your team can do horrendous things too.

[Mr. Smith]

Low hanging, but:

Obvious HP

This. He is rude, aggressive, and does not even attempt to understand where his opponents are coming from. His loutish behavior does his cause more harm than good, and he was an appalling representative for the Abrams campaign.

[Mr. Smith]

>Kamala the top answer right now

HAHA

Your hatred for her seems...so... clinical

[Mr. Smith]

Biden suffers a burst blood vessel in his left eye during CNN climate town hall:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bidens-eye-fills-with-blood-during-cnn-climate-town-hall

damn, some of you guys are all like "i hope y'all vote for him in november." i don't think he's going to live till next november

Comrade, we know you hope he dies. We get it. Because he represents a threat to radically transforming America and getting reparations. But calm down comrade, comrade, calm down.