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[RINO Tom]

AL PREDICTED THE FINANCIAL CRISIS, IS HE THE VINCE CABLE OF ATLAS

I believe you mean the Ron Paul of Atlas.

Ah, but you see - Ron Paul also falsely predicted about 50 non-crises. BECAUSE DEBT = BAD, YOUSE GUISE

No, that's ridiculous.  Money grows on trees, and once we run out, we just take more from people who have "enough."  Duh.

[RINO Tom]

AL PREDICTED THE FINANCIAL CRISIS, IS HE THE VINCE CABLE OF ATLAS

I believe you mean the Ron Paul of Atlas.

Ah, but you see - Ron Paul also falsely predicted about 50 non-crises. BECAUSE DEBT = BAD, YOUSE GUISE

No, that's ridiculous.  Money grows on trees, and once we run out, we just take more from people who have "enough."  Duh.

Businesses are gonna have a real swell time operating without debt. People are gonna have a real easy time finding a place to live without a mortgage. Towns are going to have a real picnic trying to attract people and bysiness without infrastructure. These are basic capitalist concepts. That statement was actually more right wing than my typical economic statements.

I think it was pretty clear (at least to me) that he wasn't saying all debt was bad but rather mocking your constant ragging on libertarianism by pointing out that their opponents also have fairytale like views on economics.

Judging by interactions with him elsewhere, I don't think so. It's not like I support left wing policies so it's hard to attack me using that line at least. But whatever...I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Just saw this.  Not sure what "interactions" you're referring to, but I obviously know a healthy dose of debt is important for the business world and society as a whole to function.  It's just it's become a fad on this site to ridicule "lolbertarians" on this site, and you're one of the cool kids if you do, but their equally deranged rivals get to go unscathed because ... well, I'm not sure why.

[RINO Tom]

We've seen this many times before.

Prior to the election, many Sanders supporters (mostly those on r/Sandersforpresident will sink further into denial.  Many will claim that the polls are skewed because during election day there'll be massive unexpected turnout for Sanders.  They'll cite everything from crowd sizes, to yard signs, to bumper stickers, to random encounters on the street to convince themselves of this.  Others will blame a media conspiracy against Sanders. (basically what we see now, but more intense).  It will be a lot like Romney 2012, with a huge number of people fully convinced of their victory only to be bluntly forced back into reality.

Most elected Democrats in vulnerable seats will start jumping ship as it become clear where things are headed.  It won't help, not even a little bit.  If the top of the ticket goes down in flames, the entire party does.  The Clintons themselves will still support Sanders, as will Obama, Biden, and most of the un-elected 'establishment'. 

On election day, many Sanders supporters will trumpet turnout at precincts.  The reality of the situation won't hit many of them until the exit polls come out, but some will still believe that the exit polls are wrong.  Once the actual results come in, it'll become clear pretty quickly where the night is going.

Post election, a few supporters will descend completely into conspiracy mode, believing that Sanders actually won the election.  Most will blame the 'establishment' for not supporting them enough, blame the 'deserters' (its a moot point, they all lost their elections anyway),  blame big money for funding the GOP, etc.  Basically, if there's a way to shift blame from Sanders to someone else, his hardcore supporters will use it.  Most Democrats outside of r/Sanderforpresident will blame Sanders for their loss, you'll here a TON of 'I told you so', to the point where it gets very old.

There will also be talk of 'creative destruction', 'we didn't want all of those DINOs in the party anyway', and 'finally the GOP will be held accountable for all the bad stuff that happens'.

The Headlines will read 'Are the Democrats Dead Forever?' in their usual ridiculous hyperbole.  As the defeated and depressed Sanders supporters go home, the DNC will be left to pick up the pieces.  DWS will finally be kicked out.  The new leadership will begin planning their comeback, with the gubernatorial elections next year and then the midterms.  There'll be rumors, but Clinton won't run for president again.

LOL, Lief ... that signature is the best thing I've ever seen.

[RINO Tom]

Trump's supporters are the people the establishment have abused and lied to for 30 years in exchange for their votes. There are a number of hateful people in that group yes, but many of them are tired of having their issues ignored. The neoliberal agenda has ruined their lives, just like it has ruined many others and these are the voters that make up a substantial portion of the party, especially in the states that are trending Republican relative to the national average. The Republicans cannot keep tring to impose an Orange County, CA agenda on a Kentucky/MO/Indiana Party.

Jmfcst used to say whoever won his type of voter (high end/Evangelical/Sunbelt) was the nominee of the party. Now, the base GOP voter is a lower middle class guy in the suburbs of St. Louis. These people exist by the millions and in states that offer the paths of least resistance to GOP victory (The South and Midwest), therefore they now have outsized influence in the nominating process.

I will say again, Trump won this nomination when all the establishment candidates jumped on board the open borders band wagon. If you put all your eggs in the wrong basket, don't be surprised if people reject it. Romney was smart, realizing his path to the nomination was to go populist on trade and hard line on immigration. Bush, Rubio and Kasich realized the hard way what Romney calculated in 2007. This is also what I tried to explain to you way back when you were all gaga for Jon Huntsman.

This is the Republican Party. You cannot suppress its current base demographics, or you will end up with another Trump. If you think you can pull that off without consequences just as Jeb Bush tried, than clearly you have learned nothing and forgotten everything from the 2016 cycle.

Bet you stood up and clapped for that post alone in your basement.

[RINO Tom]

Bet you stood up and clapped for that post alone in your basement.

Feel free to disagree, but no need to be so condescending.

LOL, sorry, my tone in my mind while typing it wasn't mean-spirited.

And of course I definitely disagree.

[RINO Tom]

Bet you stood up and clapped for that post alone in your basement.

Feel free to disagree, but no need to be so condescending.

LOL, sorry, my tone in my mind while typing it wasn't mean-spirited.

And of course I definitely disagree.

What in particular do you disagree with?

That Trump's support 1) comes from the "GOP base," 2) will just be passed on to some new standard bearer in 2020/these people will keep participating in the primaries again going forward, 3) goes much beyond a strange infatuation with Trump (seriously, he could say whatever he wants tomorrow, and his supporters would agree with what he said; that doesn't describe a group high on conviction, and I don't see how some new guy-who-can-say-whatever-he-wants will arise after ... How will they pick him?? LOL) and 4) that this group has any coherent ideology beyond not being Democrats and being *PISSED OFF* at something or other (and, frankly, most of it is different, non-overlapping stuff, IMO).

Trump's main base of support is shrinking as a demographic, and polls show younger Republicans have a much more libertarian bent to their views.  Fact is the Boomers are only going to live so long, and there aren't going to BE many WCWs (this is objectively a good thing, as people who wouldn't have had the opportunity to go to college decades ago will be able to) in a few decades.  There's no logical reason to think the GOP will be Trumpist long term other than that's what both Trumpist Republicans and your DLC Democratic types would like to see happen; unfortunately, that's a very significant portion of this site, and the echo chamber effect is springboarding it toward Gospel Truth status.

[RINO Tom]

I don't think I've ever been in here, thanks Grumps.