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Abraham Reagan
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« on: October 05, 2015, 10:11:16 PM »
« edited: October 05, 2015, 10:13:59 PM by Abraham Reagan »

As a Democrat who honestly feels Biden is our only hope, I see her as such.

Both aren't very exciting candidates, both are/were greatly disliked by their parties base, both lack any genuine charisma or charm; both exude(d) a sense of entitlement to the Presidency; Both seem(ed) insincere and false; Both IMO would lead to low turn out on election day - I think many people who now support Bernie would just sit home on election day if Hillary was the nominee, while the GOP voters would come out in droves out of pure Clinton hatred - Both are seen as devious and scandal ridden (Remember Romney's tax issues during the 2012 race?)



I feel they are both similar in that they have a hard time letting their true selves be seen by supporters due to  campaign advisers cropping them to try to be the perfect candidate. Also like Mitt Romney, I feel a level of sympathy for Clinton, given that she is being trashed on a very personal and often inappropriate level.

Also, as the forums official Mitt Romney apologist, those tax issues in 2012 really had nothing to do with Mitt, but rather people not understanding the nature of capital gains taxes.

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Abraham Reagan
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E: 7.35, S: 2.96

« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2015, 10:44:35 PM »

As a Democrat who honestly feels Biden is our only hope, I see her as such.

Both aren't very exciting candidates, both are/were greatly disliked by their parties base, both lack any genuine charisma or charm; both exude(d) a sense of entitlement to the Presidency; Both seem(ed) insincere and false; Both IMO would lead to low turn out on election day - I think many people who now support Bernie would just sit home on election day if Hillary was the nominee, while the GOP voters would come out in droves out of pure Clinton hatred - Both are seen as devious and scandal ridden (Remember Romney's tax issues during the 2012 race?)



I feel they are both similar in that they have a hard time letting their true selves be seen by supporters due to  campaign advisers cropping them to try to be the perfect candidate. Also like Mitt Romney, I feel a level of sympathy for Clinton, given that she is being trashed on a very personal and often inappropriate level.

Also, as the forums official Mitt Romney apologist, those tax issues in 2012 really had nothing to do with Mitt, but rather people not understanding the nature of capital gains taxes.



Oh, please. Do I need to remind you that Romney had offshore accounts in the Swiss and Cayman Islands for the sole purpose of lowering his overall tax rate? Do I need to remind you that Romney said he wouldn't be qualified to be president if he paid more taxes than were legally due, but then voluntarily refused to take half of his charitable deductions to artificially inflate his tax rate to make it "look better" to americans? The tax issue was bigger than the public not understanding how capital gains work.

I agree that the Swiss/Cayman bank accounts were an issue (even though they shouldn't be), but I remember the 14% rate he paid on his capital gains having been the bigger issue, with people not understanding that a large portion of that money was already taken out at the corporate level, in actuality adding up to an over 40% rate. Also, the deduction refusal aspect lies directly to the heart of what I was saying about advisers giving their candidates advice on how to be the perfect candidate, but in actuality hurting the candidate's credibility.

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Abraham Reagan
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Political Matrix
E: 7.35, S: 2.96

« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2015, 10:59:49 PM »

As a Democrat who honestly feels Biden is our only hope, I see her as such.

Both aren't very exciting candidates, both are/were greatly disliked by their parties base, both lack any genuine charisma or charm; both exude(d) a sense of entitlement to the Presidency; Both seem(ed) insincere and false; Both IMO would lead to low turn out on election day - I think many people who now support Bernie would just sit home on election day if Hillary was the nominee, while the GOP voters would come out in droves out of pure Clinton hatred - Both are seen as devious and scandal ridden (Remember Romney's tax issues during the 2012 race?)



I feel they are both similar in that they have a hard time letting their true selves be seen by supporters due to  campaign advisers cropping them to try to be the perfect candidate. Also like Mitt Romney, I feel a level of sympathy for Clinton, given that she is being trashed on a very personal and often inappropriate level.

Also, as the forums official Mitt Romney apologist, those tax issues in 2012 really had nothing to do with Mitt, but rather people not understanding the nature of capital gains taxes.



Oh, please. Do I need to remind you that Romney had offshore accounts in the Swiss and Cayman Islands for the sole purpose of lowering his overall tax rate? Do I need to remind you that Romney said he wouldn't be qualified to be president if he paid more taxes than were legally due, but then voluntarily refused to take half of his charitable deductions to artificially inflate his tax rate to make it "look better" to americans? The tax issue was bigger than the public not understanding how capital gains work.

I agree that the Swiss/Cayman bank accounts were an issue (even though they shouldn't be), but I remember the 14% rate he paid on his capital gains having been the bigger issue, with people not understanding that a large portion of that money was already taken out at the corporate level, in actuality adding up to an over 40% rate. Also, the deduction refusal aspect lies directly to the heart of what I was saying about advisers giving their candidates advice on how to be the perfect candidate, but in actuality hurting the candidate's credibility.



The 14% number was his overall income tax rate.

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So yes you're right that the 14% rate was his overall income rate, but he made ALL of his income from capital gains. Again, in actually paying around a 40% rate.

Sorry to Col. Roosevelt for taking up so much space for an off topic debate.
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