America is falling apart

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America deserves to fall apart. Go outside, talk to a few of these morons we call "Americans" and then tell me with a straight face that these entitled brats deserve to live in stable, comfortable nation.

Yes they do

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Honestly it seems like society in general all across the globe is falling apart . This is a scary prospect because the last time this happened was 1914-1945.

People across the west in 1900 also thought stuff like war would be thing of the past due to “how interconnected the world had become , people have far more to lose due to dramatic increases of standard of living , rise of democracy” etc and we saw what happened. Hopefully we learn the lessons fast so we don’t repeat that dark period in human history

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If America is falling apart it is because having a culture and society is fundamentally at odds with capitalism, in which people are nothing more than resources, cogs in the capitalist machine. Instead of a real culture, we have cultural products which are sold for money. Our culture, essentially, is money. And this creates tremendous alienation, naturally, between people and any idea of a 'nation'. This tension has always been around, but it is becoming more intense as capitalism pervades American life more and more thoroughly.

Hence, people easily buy into bread and circuses such as "culture wars" and partisan politics that serve to keep the masses divided over issues that have the illusion of deep meaning but are actually relatively low stakes and non-threatening to the status quo. External adversaries like China are needed to give people a sense of meaning and struggle that would otherwise be missing. In the meantime, the capitalism system continues on and the rich and powerful become more rich and powerful, while everyone else fights over the scraps.

Agree that USA’s “social cohesion” is the aspiration of better opportunities and quality of life (all related to money as you say) instead of one unified culture that binds people together. Which eventually is way more of an individual aspiration and inspiration than a collective one.

I don’t think US lacks culture though, it’s more that it’s widely segregated between different bubbles and that creates different and separated “Americas” depending on which cultural bubble you’re inserted in.

Very different from Brazil/LatAm logic where we get all these different influences too characteristic of immigrant countries but we smash and crack them all, then mix it all together in the same soup to form something inherently Brazilian and one single national culture idea that all can identify with regardless of their background.

That’s why for instance, all Brazilians can have fun with the Portuguese when complaining about colonization and gold robbery even if they’re descendants of these same colonizers, as they will still feel more inherently culturally connected to Brazil and the “mixed multicultural idea” it represents and that they were inserted in from the moment they were born.

Carnaval and Samba for instance, has influences of all of Portuguese, Indigenous and African cultures while still not being really any of those.

“Macunaíma”, a classic from Brazilian literature we have to read during school classes that later became a movie, is about trying to characterize an unified Brazilian identity through its protagonist who is an Indigenous man that is born Black and becomes White, everything all together at same time. Something that under US cultural lenses, I imagine it would sound very offensive. External cultural influences are massively brought in, consumed and reinterpreted through national lenses to create its own “Brazilian version”.

When watching US cultural products, it’s much harder for me to get what is the sense of what’s really being an American to you guys. Because it’s like it’s something very different from each person, the one common trope usually repeated is the “freedom” discourse that is related to both economics (neoliberal capitalism = you can get whatever you want) and social behavior (social liberalism = you can do and be whatever you want) but that seems way more directed to individual goals as I said than something that makes you feel connected to your neighbor under the same cultural umbrella.

But all this is more related to US foundation and history of segregation (as it was colonized by the British, inheriting their perspective) more than necessarily tied with Capitalism and its complications tbh, which is something present everywhere. I believe the excessive focus on Capitalism as a mantra for national pride may have been simply a way to fabricate a narrative to try to glue in people who are looking for the same goals and need each other for it, compensating the lack of that unified cultural glue while also stimulating a national narrative that is based on the idea of production and individual prospering.

Left wing nationalism would fix a lot of this.

Also, the people in Kentucky and West Virginia who put "American" on the census are onto something, as was Raven Symone when she said "I'm not black or white, I'm American."

We need more of that mentality. A lot more.

America has never had the sorta class politics you guys want outside the new deal era and that the exception not the rule . The reason that was formed was because we faced a far far worse economic situation than anything we do today .

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America has never had the sorta class politics you guys want outside the new deal era and that the exception not the rule . The reason that was formed was because we faced a far far worse economic situation than anything we do today .

So you’re saying that left-wing politics are better when the situation is bad and right-wing politics are better when the situation is good.

Which means, poorer countries are correct to pursue Left-Wing economics to fix or minimize problems. And also that US itself had to base itself on Left-Wing economics in order to build the economic foundation of today and it will inevitably return to a more leftist consensus scenario in the future after years of unchanged neoliberalism result in stagnation and economic insecurity.

FDR is no where near as Left Wing as people hype him up to be though, as the vast majority of the welfare state was not created until the 1960s. In fact The vast majority of new deal policies are still in place, and have remained in place ever since FDR implemented them so really the debate has always been over the Great Society not the New Deal.

What Left Wingers want to do is not New Deal 2.0 but rather Great Society 2.0 and doing the latter is far more controversial than the former. Biden's greatest successes were when he pushed bills that more resemble the new deal than great society such as the BIF Act , CHIPS act, and even the IRA Bill to an extent and his pitfalls have been when he tried to push for stuff like student loan debt forgiveness, free preschool etc.