Should OSR be muted from the "User complaints megathread"?

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No its Atlas moderation policy needs to change. Stop viewing everything through an insane liberal arts bubble because not everything that a liberal arts department would consider bigoted is bigoted.

Allow actual debates on Israel/Palestine, on immigration and if posters dont like them then they can put them on ignore.

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You have your own talents as does he. If you were in his position I'd be defending you likewise.
Looking down on people for lacking college degrees though is hardly justified in many cases nor is it productive at anything good. Now, you could use it for connections... But let's not get high on our own supply, okay?

Isn't OSR the one who's looking down on people for their degree?

Similar perhaps but not strictly the same.
Concern over perceived ideological radicalism on campuses, justified or not, is its own subset of issue distinct from "maybe someone would have better grammar in my eyes/would be less ignorant if they went to college".

Yes I was particularly talking about the type of people on campus who think everything is racist and bigoted including stuff that most people say in normal conversations.

I did not mean literally everyone who was in liberal arts believes this or everyone who believes this has a degree in liberal arts, but rather that type of mindset in general which is more common in liberal arts departments than other departments. 

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Being an idiot isn’t a muteworthy offense.

No but the way he's derailing and misusing that thread should be. Again this is only from that thread, not calling for him forumwide.

How is it derailing lol . Challenging moderators policy and debating what should and should not be acceptable on the forum is exactly what that thread is for

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Being an idiot isn’t a muteworthy offense.

No but the way he's derailing and misusing that thread should be. Again this is only from that thread, not calling for him forumwide.

How is it derailing lol . Challenging moderators policy and debating what should and should not be acceptable on the forum is exactly what that thread is for

You're using as yet another debate thread on Israel/Gaza, which is not what it's for and there's loads of other threads here for that.

No , I was challenging why G-Mac was banned then a bunch of posters replied making it into that . My posts were directly related to the reason why he was banned

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Another issue that really hurts forums like Atlas is when people who act like characters from Mean Girls go off to form little communities in other spaces, whether different websites or Discord servers or whatever, and then they periodically bring all that drama here. They derail threads, ruin conversations, and the rest of the forum doesn't even know what the f-ck they're talking about.

That seems to be happening more here. People will bring their sh-tty discord behavior here and expect everybody to respect it, and then they develop an increasingly severe persecution complex when nobody does.

Is crane’s behavior acceptable then? All he does is launch personal attack after personal attack at posters here so why is it ok for him to act the way he does .

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[Vosem and jaichind never engaged in personal attacks on other users yet were explicitly banned for their views. We know it’s a left-wing blog but it’s interesting to see what behavior is tolerated and what isn’t.

I will never understand why so many of you think that personal attacks are worse than being bigoted.

Like you're really going to tell me that you'd rather this forum have a polite neo-Nazi than a rude person with mainstream views?

Because views encourage debate and discussion on a forum.
Meanwhile personal attacks interfere and derail debate and discussion.

No, open racism, etc. doesn't "encourage debate and discussion." It turn places into sewers.

Speaking about our enemies the same we always do isn’t racism . Just like saying “The Russians are the bad guys”.

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[Vosem and jaichind never engaged in personal attacks on other users yet were explicitly banned for their views. We know it’s a left-wing blog but it’s interesting to see what behavior is tolerated and what isn’t.

I will never understand why so many of you think that personal attacks are worse than being bigoted.

Like you're really going to tell me that you'd rather this forum have a polite neo-Nazi than a rude person with mainstream views?

Because views encourage debate and discussion on a forum.
Meanwhile personal attacks interfere and derail debate and discussion.

No, open racism, etc. doesn't "encourage debate and discussion." It turn places into sewers.

Speaking about our enemies the same we always do isn’t racism . Just like saying “The Russians are the bad guys”.

I cannot believe you still think this is an argument worth pursuing.

This is how actual people talk , the mods just didn’t like the posters in question and used it as an excuse to call it racist .

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This poll is as tied as the last Opinion of poll that OSR has gotten. 25-25 tie.

Sorry forgot to vote... maybe it flipped after I voted.

It's still pretty close either way. Just kind of a funny pattern to see replicating itself.

2000 is Old School now so makes sense

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Because views encourage debate and discussion on a forum.
Meanwhile personal attacks interfere and derail debate and discussion.

Whether or not the races are equal or if all ethnicities are capable of exercising democracy shouldn’t be up for debate.

They need to be excommunicated from polite society, not treated as mere participants in the art of debate.

Save debate for gun control and tax reform, not phrenology.

There are cesspools like 4chan and Stormfront that tolerate this toxicity. Atlas doesn’t need to be, nor should it.

This is so laughable and it almost sounds like you are a naive neocon in a way . Most agrees now it was a mistake to try to create a democracy in Afghanistan and that not banning Hamas from the 06 elections in the name of “democracy” was a mistake .

Believing either is not racist and it’s completely absurd to think so

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[Vosem and jaichind never engaged in personal attacks on other users yet were explicitly banned for their views. We know it’s a left-wing blog but it’s interesting to see what behavior is tolerated and what isn’t.

I will never understand why so many of you think that personal attacks are worse than being bigoted.

Like you're really going to tell me that you'd rather this forum have a polite neo-Nazi than a rude person with mainstream views?

Because views encourage debate and discussion on a forum.
Meanwhile personal attacks interfere and derail debate and discussion.

No, open racism, etc. doesn't "encourage debate and discussion." It turn places into sewers.

Speaking about our enemies the same we always do isn’t racism . Just like saying “The Russians are the bad guys”.

If you want to go with that, 80% of the people who try and scam my company are Indian men, so Indians are scammers and bad people.

The whataboutism leftists do to defend Islamists is ridiculous. Muh BJP , Muh Likud , Muh Christian Right

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[Vosem and jaichind never engaged in personal attacks on other users yet were explicitly banned for their views. We know it’s a left-wing blog but it’s interesting to see what behavior is tolerated and what isn’t.

I will never understand why so many of you think that personal attacks are worse than being bigoted.

Like you're really going to tell me that you'd rather this forum have a polite neo-Nazi than a rude person with mainstream views?

Because views encourage debate and discussion on a forum.
Meanwhile personal attacks interfere and derail debate and discussion.

No, open racism, etc. doesn't "encourage debate and discussion." It turn places into sewers.

Speaking about our enemies the same we always do isn’t racism . Just like saying “The Russians are the bad guys”.

If you want to go with that, 80% of the people who try and scam my company are Indian men, so Indians are scammers and bad people.

The whataboutism leftists do to defend Islamists is ridiculous. Muh BJP , Muh Likud , Muh Christian Right

No, you’re REALLY having a hard time understanding that “x is bad” is not how the world works. Individuals can be terrible people but the group can never be uniform. Coincidentally you’re at the same time conforming to the exact stereotype of linear thinking and inability to think and inability to process the whole that all the Indian tech people at my work have as well. But again, that’s not everyone.

Saying Russians are bad isn’t saying every Russian is bad . Also saying not every group is ready for democracy isn’t inaccurate either , that’s just pure realism .

I don’t think russians are ready for it either at the moment but hopefully one day they are

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[Vosem and jaichind never engaged in personal attacks on other users yet were explicitly banned for their views. We know it’s a left-wing blog but it’s interesting to see what behavior is tolerated and what isn’t.

I will never understand why so many of you think that personal attacks are worse than being bigoted.

Like you're really going to tell me that you'd rather this forum have a polite neo-Nazi than a rude person with mainstream views?

Because views encourage debate and discussion on a forum.
Meanwhile personal attacks interfere and derail debate and discussion.

No, open racism, etc. doesn't "encourage debate and discussion." It turn places into sewers.

Speaking about our enemies the same we always do isn’t racism . Just like saying “The Russians are the bad guys”.

If you want to go with that, 80% of the people who try and scam my company are Indian men, so Indians are scammers and bad people.

The whataboutism leftists do to defend Islamists is ridiculous. Muh BJP , Muh Likud , Muh Christian Right

No, he's using your own bad logic against you.

I can't understand why you have been defending "all Palestinians are bad" for days instead of just recognizing it's not the right thing to say and moderating your own language to say "Hamas is bad" "the leaders of Palestine are bad" or "supporting Hamas is evil" if that's what you MEAN, none of which would be remotely controversial.

I think Palestinians should be able to have a democracy as long as all anti Israel parties are banned .

[OSR stands with Israel]

[Vosem and jaichind never engaged in personal attacks on other users yet were explicitly banned for their views. We know it’s a left-wing blog but it’s interesting to see what behavior is tolerated and what isn’t.

I will never understand why so many of you think that personal attacks are worse than being bigoted.

Like you're really going to tell me that you'd rather this forum have a polite neo-Nazi than a rude person with mainstream views?

Because views encourage debate and discussion on a forum.
Meanwhile personal attacks interfere and derail debate and discussion.

No, open racism, etc. doesn't "encourage debate and discussion." It turn places into sewers.

Speaking about our enemies the same we always do isn’t racism . Just like saying “The Russians are the bad guys”.

If you want to go with that, 80% of the people who try and scam my company are Indian men, so Indians are scammers and bad people.

The whataboutism leftists do to defend Islamists is ridiculous. Muh BJP , Muh Likud , Muh Christian Right

No, you’re REALLY having a hard time understanding that “x is bad” is not how the world works. Individuals can be terrible people but the group can never be uniform. Coincidentally you’re at the same time conforming to the exact stereotype of linear thinking and inability to think and inability to process the whole that all the Indian tech people at my work have as well. But again, that’s not everyone.

Saying Russians are bad isn’t saying every Russian is bad .

That's what it means on its face. You can't say offensive things over and over and hope you always get the charitable interpretation. (Although GMac knew full well what he was saying was offensive. He just didn't care. That was kind of the defining trait of his posting tenure here.)

No , that’s simply not how actual people talk . People say stuff like this all the time and hell we used to say it all the time as well . During the Cold War we’d always say “the Russians are the bad guys”

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What we mean is that giving Palestinians democracy would result in them electing Hamas or Hamas adjacent people .  Even Fatah has pay for slay as well. Democracy certainly has failed especially in places like Afghanistan .

So like Americans voting for Republicans because they believe immigration lies and replacement theory lies and want to “fight back”, even violently against what they feel is an invading force? Hmmmm…..seems like ‘Murica does it too…

This simply the problem with liberals . Insane amount of false equivalencies done

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What we mean is that giving Palestinians democracy would result in them electing Hamas or Hamas adjacent people .  Even Fatah has pay for slay as well. Democracy certainly has failed especially in places like Afghanistan .

So like Americans voting for Republicans because they believe immigration lies and replacement theory lies and want to “fight back”, even violently against what they feel is an invading force? Hmmmm…..seems like ‘Murica does it too…

This simply the problem with liberals . Insane amount of false equivalencies done

I’m sorry, it’s too hard you to understand with your linear, monochrome thought process. But if you think about, it’s not hard to understand.

Islamists are far worse than any party in the west or in Israel . Full stop