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Adam T
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« on: August 27, 2015, 05:10:15 PM »
« edited: August 27, 2015, 05:12:31 PM by Adam T »

Jeb didn't "reduce" government in Florida.  He "privatized" state functions, which means two things:

1.  Folks doing critical jobs (such as management of our prisons and Foster Care system) will perform the same jobs for less money and benefits.

2.  Jeb got to give contracts to companies with cronies and political contributors as part of their organizational structure.  It's the new model of political patronage and payoff.

Jeb EXPANDED government to the Private Sector, where corporations manage prisons for profit and are free to lobby for longer prison sentences for minor offenses.  That's the Corporate State.


I'm not sure that I agree with all of that, but this goes back a long time.  The British T.V Show Yes, Minister did an episode about how to make it look like the size of government was being cut by, in their case, turning agencies into off budget crown corporations, or whatever the British term is.

In addition to this lie of dudeabides  that Jeb cut the size of government when, in reality, he privatized some of it, he also lied that Jeb Bush protected the Everglades, when all he did was attend a law signing by Bill Clinton, who was the one who protected the Everglades.

There is no mention of anything else on the environment or resource development, transportation, social service delivery, economic development (beyond the myth that cutting taxes automatically boosts the economy), criminal justice and law reform...

For a two term governor, even if one were to take the list of accomplishments listed here at face value, it's extremely thin.
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Adam T
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2015, 06:06:59 PM »


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As if you know anything about people with brains.
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Adam T
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2015, 06:10:44 PM »
« Edited: August 27, 2015, 06:24:00 PM by Adam T »


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As if you know anything about people with brains.

I suppose you weren't burdened with an overabundance of high school

Maybe I was burdened with attending high school in Florida while your hero was governor.

It seems you weren't even burdened with an overabundance of kindergarten.  But then, only an elementary school dropout could support Jeb Bush.
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Adam T
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2015, 06:38:13 PM »

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You forgot to mention that you're also modest. (An old joke, but it fits here.)

That joke aside, the difference between you and I is that I write original arguments, coherent or otherwise, while you copy Jeb Bush press releases.
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Adam T
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2015, 05:13:09 AM »
« Edited: August 28, 2015, 05:17:28 AM by Adam T »

If the best way you criticize Jeb Bush is to lie about the facts and insult and attack those who set the record straight with facts, then keep it up guys, your stupid half-assed opinions are exactly that. Dudeabides has argued on factual evidence, and cited verifiable fact to back up those arguments.  Jeb Bush might not be perfect, but he is by a country mile, far superior than the moronic twits, who are Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. The former has a personality disorder, bordering on the sociopathic and the other is a egotistical blow-hard, so with these two, you are stuck between the Devil and deep blue sea. Jeb Bush has shrewdly refused to get involved in juvenile name calling and attack strategy which you see Clinton and Trump engage in a daily basis. That 28% number which Trump has going for him, proves one thing, the numbing stupidly of those, who are happily and eagerly supporting his candidacy. Summer silliness is almost over and so is the "swimwear" segment😉

I think we can go beyond arguing that Jeb! supporters have Bush derangment syndrome, to simply say that Jeb! supporters are deranged.

Still, I agree on one thing, dudeabides likely has cited one verifiable fact.
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Adam T
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2015, 05:32:22 AM »

If his name wasn't Bush he'd just be a generic governor from the 2000's e.g Tim Pawlenty

I think there probably is a lot of truth to that, though obviously the Bush name cuts both ways. But, I don't think it's entirely accurate.  With the exception of former California Governor Pete Wilson in 1996, large state governors are generally taken seriously unless they give a reason for them not to be treated so, as Rick Perry did in 2012.

Had George Pataki run in 2008, he likely would have a least been regarded as more than an afterthought. To be sure, not many big state governors have run for the Presidency in recent years, aside from George W Bush, but they pretty much have all been discussed as potential major candidates. that includes Jerry Brown and Andrew Cuomo this year all the way back to Mario Cuomo in 1988.  Even Elliot Spitzer was at one point generally assumed to be on the fast track to the White House.

That said, had Rick Scott run this year, as he was considering doing at one point, he likely would have been regarded as a joke.
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