President Trump vs. Sen. Kamala Harris

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Harris is overrated and only appeals to urban liberals. You need to combine Bernie's social democratism, to JBE's southern speaking style and appeal, with someone like Jon Tester, Stephyn Lynch to get a candidate that can appeal to every day Americans, and working class

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Harris is overrated and only appeals to urban liberals. You need to combine Bernie's social democratism, to JBE's southern speaking style and appeal, with someone like Jon Tester, Stephyn Lynch to get a candidate that can appeal to every day Americans, and working class

Everyone one of whom is a white male.  I thought we're supposed to be foreswearing 'identity politics', or does that only apply to women and minorities?

A mix of Warren's social progressivism then, with other candidates, to make a good candidate, however it doesn't matter if the candidate is a white male or a black female, you just want to nominate a female, over a male, and you put white male candidates are 'Identity Politics', the candidate needs to be a good candidate. If charlotte pritt held considerable influence WV, she'd also be a good candidate, but she doesn't. I fail to see your point, if their is woman candidate that can appeal to the wider public, then of course she should be nominated.

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I will not vote for her. I'm sick of identity politics.

I don't dislike Harris, but she isn't the candidate the Democrats need if they want to improve their margins among working class voters.  

So we've pretty much decided that if the Democrats nominate anyone who isn't a white guy it's "identity politics" then, huh? What a great new buzzword.

Of course fycking not, but Harris an Urban liberal from fycking San faransico, does not appeal to working class voters, you need someone who sympathies with the concerns of the working class, and speaks like them. Trump had a message that resonated with the working classes, so it didnt matter that he wasn't from there. In 08' Clinton's brand of ideology and her campaign of working families, resonated in working Class areas as she understood their concerns, I maintain the fact that Obama's New Democratic Party, ruinied its roots to poorer white citizens, to more urban based candidates, which caused a defeat to trump in 2016.

A women like Warren can run in 2016, but someone who is seen more as not seen as an elitist academic, but still left wing, populist and fights against big business, and yes free trade, neo liberalism, and have an American-wrapped campaign, if trump fails many of his policies on free trade policies, understanding concerns of immigration and illegal immigration, to the established lower-middle or working class families in essential, as well as how modern-day america haven't been good for all Americans, and the problems with a proffesional based economy and a globalised world. Concerns which are disregarded because of more SJW identity politics, instead of class politics, and because GLoBALisAtIOn because new cultures, and disregarding problems with immigration, because identity politics and Multiculturalism (which is good don't get me wrong). The style of how the democratic politics campaigns for well-educated upper middle class voters, instead of working families in rural areas, and in many cases participates in demougary against them.

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"This Obama guy is an urban Harvard elitist liberal from Chicago, he has absolutely no appeal in white-working class America. BAYH/LIEBERMAN '08"

That was 4 years ago, and the democratic brand was as toxic to the Democratic Party as I think is now, and Obama had horrible numbers in white working class America, in 2012 then other democratic candidates.

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"This Obama guy is an urban Harvard elitist liberal from Chicago, he has absolutely no appeal in white-working class America. BAYH/LIEBERMAN '08"

That was 4 years ago, and the democratic brand was as toxic to the Democratic Party as I think is now, and Obama had horrible numbers in white working class America, in 2012 then other democratic candidates.

So you are ACTUALLY saying Bayh/Lieberman would have been a smarter ticket for Democrats? You're agreeing with my strawman argument?

No, but obama was horrible, Bayh is horrible, but he would have broader appeal to working class Americans. A Clinton/Dean ticket would have been good. In 08' she had a brand of working class populist, and working families vibes, in touch to with more rural working America, in 16' her appeal was the complete opposite.