Timmy's States

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Rockbridge/Lexington I.C./Buena Vista I.C., Botetourt  VA should be in Allegheny...also Roanoke is not actually in Roanoke in this map.

I changed the name to Chesapeake. Thanks for raising the issue.
And all those proposed moves will be done.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

You have split Amarillo and Midland-Odessa. I'd extend Texas to include the Little Texas area of New Mexico. I'd also redeem Greer County to Texas.

Terrell belongs with the rest of the Trans-Pecos.

I'd move Madison, Brazos, Burleson, Fayette, Gonzales, DeWitt, Karnes, and Bee to Houston.

Would Texas border Mexico in this arrangement?

No.  Eddy, Chaves, DeBaca, Lea, Roosevelt, Curry, and Quay in NM, along with the counties east of the Pecos in Texas.

Do you suggest giving some of the Eastern parts of Texas to Texarkana?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Thoughts on this?

I think you could add Monterey, San Benito, Mendocino and Lake counties into Oso, to make Secoya more cohesive.

I tried to reach out to Bay Area natives here on Atlas for their thoughts.
I haven't been able to yet.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Jimrtex I also considered the name Plano would be fitting since it is largely a Plains state.
What do you think about that?
I would definitely consider using the name Comanche if you still thought so.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Fixed a few things.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Should Nevada state cede Sevier, Millard, White Pine, Eureka, Lander, Churchill and Pershing counties to Shoshone?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Jimrtex I also considered the name Plano would be fitting since it is largely a Plains state.
What do you think about that?
I would definitely consider using the name Comanche if you still thought so.

It would be Llano rather than Plano.

I'd still extend Pawnee to include Logan, Morgan, Washington, Lincoln, Crowley, Kiowa, Otero, Prowers, Bent. These are definitely Plains or Lower Platte, Lower Arkansas counties, that fit better with the areas to the east, rather than the Front Range or Mountain areas.

I'd probably switch Baca and SW Kansas as well.

Incidentally, you have two different yellows in Pawnee.

Ah ok. Llano instead of Plano.
So give all of Plano's CO territory to Pawnee and exchange for which counties?
And nice catch regarding the two different yellows. I need to fix that.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Jimrtex I also considered the name Plano would be fitting since it is largely a Plains state.
What do you think about that?
I would definitely consider using the name Comanche if you still thought so.

If you are going to split San Antonio and Austin, Comal and Guadalupe go with Bexar.

I would keep all (most/more) of the Hill Country in Texas. So add Crockett, Sutton, Schleicher to Llano based on proximity to San Angelo; Menard, Kimble, Kerr, and Bandera to Texas. Kendall is problematic since it would be considered Hill Country and San Antonio suburban.

Lafayette and Vermillion belong in Jefferson to avoid splitting of Acadiana,

Fixed?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Fixed a few things.

If you wanted to include Puerto Rico, you could have an Eastern Isles: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Monroe, Dare, Nassau, Suffolk, Newport, Nantucket, and Dukes.

Western Isles would include Hawaii, Guam, Northern Marianas, American Samoa, Aleutians (East and West), Kodiak, Sitka, and Outer Ketchikan.

I figure that PR is best to be on its own if it was a state. Nonetheless that idea is quite inventive, I have to admit.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

12:26   TimTurner   It's official
12:26   TimTurner   Romney failed to get 40% in any of my new England states
12:28   Peebs   you got the adams results?
12:30   TimTurner   Yes
12:31   TimTurner   58.87 o 39.37 r
12:32   Peebs   interesting
12:34   TimTurner   So to recap... 57.70 obama 39.99 Romney in Kennebec, 58.74 Obama 39.76 Romney in hudson, and 58.87 Obama 39.37 Romney in Adams

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

In addition to your Ohio and Chicagoland States, another one that really should be split is Gitchigumi. It seems far too large and disparate. You really haven't been kind to the Midwest.

Gitchigumi is supposed to unite the mining belt around the Great Lakes. It unites the Finns in the Great Lakes area
It is one of my favorite states on the map.
You have a point with Chicagoland though. It is kind of too big. How should it be divided though?
In any case I think dealing with the Ohio state comes first. And if I can deal with only one of them I would prefer Ohio by far.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Gitchigumi is supposed to unite the mining belt around the Great Lakes. It unites the Finns in the Great Lakes area
It is one of my favorite states on the map.

You should ask Muon, BRTD or another poster of the region if it's sound from a socioeconomic point of view. Personally I have serious doubts, but I might be wrong.

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The split that I see most easily would be to make one State with only Cook, Du Page and Lake counties, another one with Milwaukee, Madison and the northern Chicago suburbs, and a third one with southwestern MI, northern IN, and the eastern Chicago suburbs. Two-way splits might be a bit trickier, but if you have to choose between putting Chicago with either Milwaukee or Indianapolis I'd say Milwaukee makes more sense.

Since the map started with the statement that the names could change but the borders were fixed I didn't weigh in. The inclusion of the MI LP doesn't fit in Gitchigumi at all. There's really no connection to the bulk of the population in MN. Linking the MI UP with the Twin Cities is fine.

An interesting variant of the state would be to cut off the LP, then run Gitchigumi all the way west across ND to Glasgow MT. That would pick up the whole area that speaks the North Central dialect, often thought of as the Minnesotan accent. If you do go that way, stay away from SD and the I-90 corridor. They don't speak Minnesotan.

Surely at least parts of MI LP have a similar culture? Why not put the Bay City area in the Ohio state with Detroit and have the Chicagoland one gain, say, Muskegon and the Grand Rapids area?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Don't know if it's too late to suggest names, but I'd nominate Calumet for the Chicago Metro+SW MI and Milwaukee/Madison state.

As a potential Kennebec resident, I also think you might want to name Kennebec for the Northern Forest administrative region (something like Northwood?).

https://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Wild-Places/Northern-Forest.aspx

The region geographically dominates the proposed state (as you can see here: https://northernforest.org/the-center-and-region/interactive-map) and is common to all of them.

It isn't too late, no.
Any potential alternatives to Northwood, if one wanted to go down that route?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Don't know if it's too late to suggest names, but I'd nominate Calumet for the Chicago Metro+SW MI and Milwaukee/Madison state.

As a potential Kennebec resident, I also think you might want to name Kennebec for the Northern Forest administrative region (something like Northwood?).

https://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Wild-Places/Northern-Forest.aspx

The region geographically dominates the proposed state (as you can see here: https://northernforest.org/the-center-and-region/interactive-map) and is common to all of them.

It isn't too late, no.
Any potential alternatives to Northwood, if one wanted to go down that route?

No, I love kennebec. Change any except that one.

Ok. Kennebec stays. It is NOT changing.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Gitchigumi is supposed to unite the mining belt around the Great Lakes. It unites the Finns in the Great Lakes area
It is one of my favorite states on the map.

You should ask Muon, BRTD or another poster of the region if it's sound from a socioeconomic point of view. Personally I have serious doubts, but I might be wrong.

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The split that I see most easily would be to make one State with only Cook, Du Page and Lake counties, another one with Milwaukee, Madison and the northern Chicago suburbs, and a third one with southwestern MI, northern IN, and the eastern Chicago suburbs. Two-way splits might be a bit trickier, but if you have to choose between putting Chicago with either Milwaukee or Indianapolis I'd say Milwaukee makes more sense.

Since the map started with the statement that the names could change but the borders were fixed I didn't weigh in. The inclusion of the MI LP doesn't fit in Gitchigumi at all. There's really no connection to the bulk of the population in MN. Linking the MI UP with the Twin Cities is fine.

An interesting variant of the state would be to cut off the LP, then run Gitchigumi all the way west across ND to Glasgow MT. That would pick up the whole area that speaks the North Central dialect, often thought of as the Minnesotan accent. If you do go that way, stay away from SD and the I-90 corridor. They don't speak Minnesotan.

Surely at least parts of MI LP have a similar culture? Why not put the Bay City area in the Ohio state with Detroit and have the Chicagoland one gain, say, Muskegon and the Grand Rapids area?

The LP and UP are very different cultures. It's why folks in the LP make fun of the Yoopers. But the Yooper culture does have a lot in common with da Raynch in northern MN.

What interesting is that the LP has a lot more in common with southern, and particularly southeastern WI. That includes settlement, dialect, and economic development. Wrapping a state from Door county south around Chicago and north to Traverse City isn't all that crazy. You basically are picking up the Lake Michigan cities up to where Chicagoans go on vacation. I don't do it in my map on the other thread because I have population limits on my states.

I was talking to a Minnesotan on this forum and he said that most of Gitchigumi had the same kind of the consensus oriented politics Minnesota has. Surely he was talking about part of the LP too right?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Gitchigumi is supposed to unite the mining belt around the Great Lakes. It unites the Finns in the Great Lakes area
It is one of my favorite states on the map.

You should ask Muon, BRTD or another poster of the region if it's sound from a socioeconomic point of view. Personally I have serious doubts, but I might be wrong.

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The split that I see most easily would be to make one State with only Cook, Du Page and Lake counties, another one with Milwaukee, Madison and the northern Chicago suburbs, and a third one with southwestern MI, northern IN, and the eastern Chicago suburbs. Two-way splits might be a bit trickier, but if you have to choose between putting Chicago with either Milwaukee or Indianapolis I'd say Milwaukee makes more sense.

Since the map started with the statement that the names could change but the borders were fixed I didn't weigh in. The inclusion of the MI LP doesn't fit in Gitchigumi at all. There's really no connection to the bulk of the population in MN. Linking the MI UP with the Twin Cities is fine.

An interesting variant of the state would be to cut off the LP, then run Gitchigumi all the way west across ND to Glasgow MT. That would pick up the whole area that speaks the North Central dialect, often thought of as the Minnesotan accent. If you do go that way, stay away from SD and the I-90 corridor. They don't speak Minnesotan.

Surely at least parts of MI LP have a similar culture? Why not put the Bay City area in the Ohio state with Detroit and have the Chicagoland one gain, say, Muskegon and the Grand Rapids area?

The LP and UP are very different cultures. It's why folks in the LP make fun of the Yoopers. But the Yooper culture does have a lot in common with da Raynch in northern MN.

What interesting is that the LP has a lot more in common with southern, and particularly southeastern WI. That includes settlement, dialect, and economic development. Wrapping a state from Door county south around Chicago and north to Traverse City isn't all that crazy. You basically are picking up the Lake Michigan cities up to where Chicagoans go on vacation. I don't do it in my map on the other thread because I have population limits on my states.

I was talking to a Minnesotan on this forum and he said that most of Gitchigumi had the same kind of the consensus oriented politics Minnesota has. Surely he was talking about part of the LP too right?

I'm not so sure of that. Also, your quote suggests that you may have missed my edit.

I replied before you edited
I get your point re:the cultural divide.
I saw a cartoon once showing a map of Chicagoland and a highway going south. They had a sign saying 'you are now leaving the state Illinois' on it. Lol.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

OK. Do I delete the post?

Yes, please. And llr please do likewise.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Thoughts on this?

I think you could add Monterey, San Benito, Mendocino and Lake counties into Oso, to make Secoya more cohesive.

Okay so I talked with Ted and he likes it. So consider it adopted.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Jimrtex I also considered the name Plano would be fitting since it is largely a Plains state.
What do you think about that?
I would definitely consider using the name Comanche if you still thought so.

It would be Llano rather than Plano.

I'd still extend Pawnee to include Logan, Morgan, Washington, Lincoln, Crowley, Kiowa, Otero, Prowers, Bent. These are definitely Plains or Lower Platte, Lower Arkansas counties, that fit better with the areas to the east, rather than the Front Range or Mountain areas.

I'd probably switch Baca and SW Kansas as well.

Incidentally, you have two different yellows in Pawnee.

Ah ok. Llano instead of Plano.
So give all of Plano's CO territory to Pawnee and exchange for which counties?
And nice catch regarding the two different yellows. I need to fix that.

Does there have to be an exchange?

You mentioned one. I assumed you had a list of SW Kansas counties to put in Llano, especially given how detailed you were with Texas.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Fixed?

I'd still move Pawnee another layer of counties to the west. You're still on the Plains.

Fair enough. That shall be done.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Don't know if it's too late to suggest names, but I'd nominate Calumet for the Chicago Metro+SW MI and Milwaukee/Madison state.

As a potential Kennebec resident, I also think you might want to name Kennebec for the Northern Forest administrative region (something like Northwood?).

https://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Wild-Places/Northern-Forest.aspx

The region geographically dominates the proposed state (as you can see here: https://northernforest.org/the-center-and-region/interactive-map) and is common to all of them.

Forêt du Nord?

Hey, Kennebec rhymes with Quebec.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Redone a bit.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Don't know if it's too late to suggest names, but I'd nominate Calumet for the Chicago Metro+SW MI and Milwaukee/Madison state.

As a potential Kennebec resident, I also think you might want to name Kennebec for the Northern Forest administrative region (something like Northwood?).

https://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Wild-Places/Northern-Forest.aspx

The region geographically dominates the proposed state (as you can see here: https://northernforest.org/the-center-and-region/interactive-map) and is common to all of them.

Forêt du Nord?

Hey, Kennebec rhymes with Quebec.

Are people from the area Kennebeckers or Kennbecois?

Good question. Given typical American parlance I imagine that Kennebecers would likely be the demonym.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Named all of them now. I got rid of an unnamed green-colored Driftless Area state and replaced it with a state centered on SW Ohio. I also shrank the Chicago seat.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I think Miami should take up a bit more area from Cadillac (is that how the beige one is named?). Right now you're splitting the Columbus area among them, and I think it would make more sense to have it all in Miami so that Cadillac becomes a cohesive community centered on Lake Erie (really, "Erie" would be a better name for it than for the green State, which is mostly on Lake Ontario ).

I really hope you find a way to follow Muon's advice and cut the Michigan LP away from Gitchigumi. You could then make a relatively cohesive LP State that takes some area from Cadillac (limiting it to the Detroit-Flint area) and La Salle (having it stop at Gary instead of continuing into North-central IN and Southwestern MI).

I also think you should partition Kootenai into Oregon and Yellowstone. The States there really seem redundant to me.

And, sorry to insist, but the Baltimore area really belongs in Washington and not in Susquehanna.

Fair enough. Miami will get bigger.
No, I will not take any more of the LP out of Gitchigumi. That is a red line craved in the sand of Lake Michigan. I have been told by a Wisconsinite that it represents a cohesive community of interest, that the areas of it "would get along". So I won't adopt it in its entirety, no. I have already adopted it in part.
Partitioning Kootenai has indeed something I have considered. Exactly how to do it is up in the air.
Regarding Baltimore I would not debate the topic, for the good of both of us. You have some good ideas I have adopted and undoubtedly have more, and wasting time doing that would hurt progress on other fronts.