UK General Election, June 8th 2017

[Hydera]

Blair and his ilk inflicted decades of damage on Labour. Corbyn hasn't had adequate time to rebuild, especially with ongoing corporate sabotage.

The scary thing is that people actually believe this.

The Labour party has moved on from Tony Blair, the country has moved on from Tony Blair. Get over f'cking Tony Blair, he isn't relevant any more.

The reason ex-Labour voters are now voting for the neoliberal, austerity, Brexit Tory party is not becuase of Tony Blair. It is because of Corbyn's ridiculous brand of dogmatic, anti-imperialist "leftism".

It is because Corbyn's utter incompetence and inability to lead his party.

It is because Corbyn has failed to sell any sort of message to the British people.

It is because Corbyn can't find anything to say about the issues that actually matter to people.

It is because he has at no point looked like a remotely credible leader.

But never mind, if he gets crushed, it will because of a man who stepped down 10 years ago; and we will see the Labour party dwindle into irrelevance, like the Liberals did in the 1930s.

With that, Corbyn will have single handedly destroyed any hope of a real left wing case ever being made and ever being given the chance to govern. Hisis incompetence is discrediting all left wing policies in the eyes of the British public; and making left wingers look incompetent, out of touch, irrelevant and clueless

This is Labour's major problem,
Lack of leadership and Credibility

and it been dragged down to local and nationwide elections.

Also image, a lot of people thought that a person with a history of being in the Left of labour and having that "image" would re-attract those labour voters who went to UKIP, SNP, and greens.  Thing is that those scottish labour voters who voted labour only to keep the tories out pre-2015 are sticking with the SNP. Even if corbyn is more left-wing they dont have the competatance that SNP has after they have been governing scotland for a decade.

Plus some amount of middle class labour voters are deciding that their going to vote libdems and some even tory just because they dislike labour under corbyn.


Also those Labor->UKIP voters arent coming back unless labour changes it stance on immigration. Which corbyn is definitely not.

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it's funny to see how everybody on this forum pretends to be leftist, but attacking true left winger corbyn and defending war criminal blair who is anything but left, and started more wars than any conservative or labour prime minister.

Corbyn isn't against violence. He was actively defending and making excuses for the IRA in the eighties when they were murdering people. He's made excuses for other terrorist groups. He also defends dictatorships if they happen to be left wing. He spoke at a 'Friends of Cuba' metting in London just a few months ago. He has close links with many far left political activists in revolutionary communist and trotskyist groups. He attends and speaks at the same political rallies as they do and uses the same style of rhetoric as they use.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its probably a duck. Jeremy Corbyn is a communist in all but name. As such he has no problem with violence aimed at the west or at what he  sees as the right. He's just against violence when it comes from the west and is directed at the enemies of the west.

Also wants Northern ireland style deal to share sovereignty of Falklands with Argentina. Except for some ultra leftists even very few labour supporters are in favor of such a position. 

[Hydera]

ComRes

Con 50(+4) Lab 25(-) LD 11(-) UKIP 7(-2)

That would see a majority of 200 with Labour reduced to 140 seats

lol why would anyone put stock in polls that produce figures like this? This is utterly insane; for Labour to do this badly, they would need to be in power during the Great Depression and betray their voters. I don't think that having an incompetent, bumbling leader is sufficient (though it is necessary) for the Tories to garner 50% of the vote.

Image and Presentation are crucial in an election. Corbyn might be saying a lot of good things but his past statements(falklands, hamas, etc) and image isnt something that even many labour voters want to be associated with.

If they even brought back Miliband then Labour's vote share would increase ( but not enough to beat the conservatives considering they still have the support of many 2015 UKIP voters. )