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« on: March 04, 2017, 01:11:12 PM »

Now even if there were a FISA warrant allowing surveillance against Trump, (which I really doubt) anything that comes out as a result will immediately be overshadowed by "OMG was Trump actually right and playing quantum chess?"
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2017, 01:36:55 AM »


I'm not super familiar with the mechanisms that have been used for leaks, but isn't there only so much you can do within the White House itself? What's to stop a staffer going home and e-mailing someone in the press with their home computer?
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2017, 02:02:12 PM »

So... are we ever getting that evidence? No? Cool, tells me all that I need to know.
You can see the evidence here if you're interested

https://youtube.com/watch?v=91fNfGjZdM0

The evidence above isn't disputed and certainly warrants further investigation. Its certainly more solid  than the deeply flimsy 'evidence' for the alleged Trump/Russian hacking links accusations.

The question now is are Congressional Republicans going to protect Obama and his administration from serious investigation of these matters whilst going after Trump? Its not just Trump supporters but even well known conservative commentators from the 'Trump sceptic' wing of the party, like Hugh Hewett and National Review who are saying that the evidence against Obama here merits further serious investigation.

How are Republicans facing mid term primary and general election campaign next year going to explain it if they support protecting Obama from such investigation?

Your unbalanced standard of evidence is the cutest things ever, really.
Doesn't matter what my standard of evidence is or your standard of evidence is. Various major Republican commentators such as Hugh Hewitt, Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh all think that the evidence heavily indicates serious wrongdoing on the part of Obama that merits further serious investigation. You might not like any of those people but they are more popular and well read and well respected amongst Republican supporters than others like Bill Kristel and David Brooks who might disagree. The former are likely to be much more representative of popular opinion on this matter amongst Republican voters than the latter. I suspect that when the first polling evidence comes out on this question it will confirm that.

Republican lawmakers are going to come under significant pressure to extend the investigation into questions of possible wrongdoing by the Obama administration. I'm really not sure what you think their great motivation for resisting that pressure would be?

I can't wait to see the Trey Gowdy and Jason Chaffetz hearing of Obama. That would be flippin' fantastic. Plus, even if there is something there, it would almost certainly have been part of a legal investigation, in which case we would get a tremendous amount of dirt on Trump.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2017, 01:38:28 PM »

Wow. Former UK Conservative MP Louise Mensch was just on MSNBC saying that the FBI obtained a FISA warrant to investigate a Russian bank doing business with Trump associates in Trump Tower, although there was no wiretapping. She stated point blank that if this is the investigation Trump tweeted about, he committed obstruction of justice by confirming the existence of a secret investigation.

Here's her original story, published in Heat Street the day before the election:
https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/

Now, IIRC, she's a pretty outspoken political figure, so who knows if she has some other motivations at play here. But at the same time, she seems like the exact kind of person who would come to Trump's defense.

From her Wikipedia:
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