People's Pat on IL shutdown: "Chickens coming home to roost"

[Green Line]

Why is this news?  Pat Quinn is still bitter about his defeat last year.  Shocking.  Did you expect him to say Rauner was doing a great job?  Somebody point me to a poll that shows people longing for Pat Quinn to come back, you won't find one.

[Green Line]

^ Oh please. Stop beating a dead horse. Yes, unfortunately for the People, they threw out their champion. Lucky in 2018, they'll have a good chance to correct things.

Yes, such a "Champion", that people were/are leaving the state because it was just so wonderful with ever-higher taxes, soaring cost of living, a stagnant economy, ever-growing government and pension costs swallowing up any new revenues, and the inability for people to save as their tax bills went higher and higher (in some places, you'll pay $6,000 in taxes on a $75,000 plot of land. How are you supposed to save anything at that rate?).


I guess in 2020, when the Census probably will reveal more population loss for Chicago, Rahm Emanuel will be lauded on this forum as the "People's Rahm" or something. I love the city and the state, but please, Pat Quinn was a wimp when it came to standing up to Madigan and a pathetic Governor.

Agreed, nobody from Illinois is calling him a "champion" of the people, not even most Democrats.  He was one of the most unpopular governors in Illinois history, and most of the people who voted for him still didn't like him, they just hated Rauner even more.  You sound like the one beating a dead horse.

[Green Line]

^ Oh please. Stop beating a dead horse. Yes, unfortunately for the People, they threw out their champion. Lucky in 2018, they'll have a good chance to correct things.

July 2015: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_IL_72915.pdf

Nov 2014: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2014/ILResults.pdf

Yes, such a "Champion", that people were/are leaving the state because it was just so wonderful with ever-higher taxes, soaring cost of living, a stagnant economy, ever-growing government and pension costs swallowing up any new revenues, and the inability for people to save as their tax bills went higher and higher (in some places, you'll pay $6,000 in taxes on a $75,000 plot of land. How are you supposed to save anything at that rate?).


I guess in 2020, when the Census probably will reveal more population loss for Chicago, Rahm Emanuel will be lauded on this forum as the "People's Rahm" or something. I love the city and the state, but please, Pat Quinn was a wimp when it came to standing up to Madigan and a pathetic Governor.

Agreed, nobody from Illinois is calling him a "champion" of the people, not even most Democrats.  He was one of the most unpopular governors in Illinois history, and most of the people who voted for him still didn't like him, they just hated Rauner even more.  You sound like the one beating a dead horse.

Look at that, Green Line is appointing himself the Voice of Illinois - and even Illinois Democrats at that!

The fact of the matter is that Pat Quinn was unpopular in this state, and Rauner is on track to be far more unpopular by the time he faces re-election in 2018.

When Quinn left office, his approval rating was 36%. Rauner's approval rating now, just ten months into his term? 37%.

Illinois is a state full of Democrats that didn't show up to vote last year (look at popular Durbin winning much more narrowly than expected). Many downstate Dems that did show up to vote jumped parties to protest Quinn, not to vote for Rauner.

The chickens will surely come home to roost in 2018, regardless of what the out-of-state Rs on Atlas are saying about what they think about Illinois' situation.

You keep saying that, but where are the polls to back it up?  The lastest PPP poll from late July has Rauners approval at 37/43 approve/disapprove.  Not great but not too bad considering the state govt. has been shut down for months.  PPP's final poll of the Illinois governor's race showed Pat Quinn at 31/54.  -6 vs -23... So how is he on track to be far more unpopular?

Also, turnout was about the same as 2010 and higher than 2006.  Hopefully you've got a lot of chickens hiding out somewhere!

[Green Line]

^ Oh please. Stop beating a dead horse. Yes, unfortunately for the People, they threw out their champion. Lucky in 2018, they'll have a good chance to correct things.

July 2015: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_IL_72915.pdf

Nov 2014: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2014/ILResults.pdf

Yes, such a "Champion", that people were/are leaving the state because it was just so wonderful with ever-higher taxes, soaring cost of living, a stagnant economy, ever-growing government and pension costs swallowing up any new revenues, and the inability for people to save as their tax bills went higher and higher (in some places, you'll pay $6,000 in taxes on a $75,000 plot of land. How are you supposed to save anything at that rate?).


I guess in 2020, when the Census probably will reveal more population loss for Chicago, Rahm Emanuel will be lauded on this forum as the "People's Rahm" or something. I love the city and the state, but please, Pat Quinn was a wimp when it came to standing up to Madigan and a pathetic Governor.

Agreed, nobody from Illinois is calling him a "champion" of the people, not even most Democrats.  He was one of the most unpopular governors in Illinois history, and most of the people who voted for him still didn't like him, they just hated Rauner even more.  You sound like the one beating a dead horse.

Look at that, Green Line is appointing himself the Voice of Illinois - and even Illinois Democrats at that!

The fact of the matter is that Pat Quinn was unpopular in this state, and Rauner is on track to be far more unpopular by the time he faces re-election in 2018.

When Quinn left office, his approval rating was 36%. Rauner's approval rating now, just ten months into his term? 37%.

Illinois is a state full of Democrats that didn't show up to vote last year (look at popular Durbin winning much more narrowly than expected). Many downstate Dems that did show up to vote jumped parties to protest Quinn, not to vote for Rauner.

The chickens will surely come home to roost in 2018, regardless of what the out-of-state Rs on Atlas are saying about what they think about Illinois' situation.

You keep saying that, but where are the polls to back it up?  The lastest PPP poll from late July has Rauners approval at 37/43 approve/disapprove.  Not great but not too bad considering the state govt. has been shut down for months.  PPP's final poll of the Illinois governor's race showed Pat Quinn at 31/54.  -6 vs -23... So how is he on track to be far more unpopular?

Also, turnout was about the same as 2010 and higher than 2006.  Hopefully you've got a lot of chickens hiding out somewhere!

Quinn took office in January of 2009, and Rass showed his approvals that August at 47/49 approval/disapproval. Rauner's approvals collapsed as soon as he got into office, falling below 40 as early as April of this year - just four months in.

2006 Blago and 2010 Quinn were far more popular than 2014 Quinn, and yet neither were popular. Pat Quinn will not be on the ballot in 2018. The Dems in 2018 will surely give their best candidate for 2018 (it is a disgrace to have a state like Illinois governed by a Pub), which will drive turnout and will prevent crossover seen in the last two cycles (and defection to Green in 2006).

A Madigan bid would wipe Rauner from politics for good. Frerichs would be strong as well.

You're making a lot of assumptions in there, and you must not have been alive before 2003.  Illinois had Republican governors for 26 years in a row before Blago took over.  Half of the statewide elected officials are Republicans, they just elected a Republican senator in 2010, and its a pretty good bet that the Illinois House of Reps would be majority Republican right now with a neutral map.  The state has no doubt trended Democratic in the past decade but its no Massachusetts or California

Its not a guaranteed Democratic pickup in 2018 by any means, and either way you're crazy to call the election three years out.

[Green Line]

So there are legions of people in Cook County who vote reflexively Democrat and "disapprove" of Gov. Rauner?  Congrats, I guess.  The state is still in terrible shape, and state Dems have blocked every SINGLE measure Rauner has tried to enact to try to fix things.  Congrats again, I guess.

The Democratic legislature in IL is one of the worst out there. Democrats in MA and MD are much more willing to work with a Republican governor.

Hogan and Baker are relatively centrist. Rauner basically painted himself as Walker 2.0.

On economy - yes, and he said this from the very beginning. On social issues - no.

It doesn't matter. They aren't voting on gay marriage or abortion. None of the "massive changes" that the right wingers are talking about on this thread (humorous since Rauner let the temporary tax hike expire, adding to our biggest problem - debt) are social issues. They are economic ones, and his policies are not compatible with the wishes of Illinois voters. If they were, we wouldn't have just voted for him over Quinn (a clear anti-Quinn election), we would vote for a Republican legislature (rather than a Democratic supermajority).

We  will see 3 years from now. And argument about legislature is a weak one: legislature in Illinois is SO gerrymandered that it would withstand the strongest feasible Republican wave and still elect Democratic majority...

The idea that without the gerrymander, Illinois would ever elect a Republican legislature is a claim that ought to be backed up by the both of you, looking at the 2:1 advantage as is (including supermajority).

As for RINO Tom, the pity play for Rauner is humorous. Legislature has denied all of his attempts at reform because he isn't willing to work with them. He came with a supermajority Democratic legislature and put Right-To-Work on the docket #2 - number one was ensuring that the temporary income tax hike would expire, a Democratic measure to raise Illinois' income tax from one of the lower in the country and raise revenue to attack the deficit.

He's no Jim Edgar, that is for damn sure.

The popular vote in the Illinois House of Representatives was 50-49 democratic and that was with FOURTY democrats getting 100% due to running unopposed, yet somehow the democrats got a supermajority. Hmm.. Its safe to say the republicans would have won the chamber with a fair map.  Every single thing you say has been refuted by a 30 second google search. You gotta try harder

[Green Line]

This is why checks and balances are a bad idea

Yes. We must abolish the Illinois general assembly. Only then will illinois recover