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« on: July 07, 2016, 10:59:36 PM »

The media needs to realize it's playing with fire, and stop fanning the flames. Seriously. I'm freaking tired of them inflaming race relations so they get more ratings. I'm freaking tired of it.

The police need to realize that a lot of their police department cultures and biases make minorities feel unfairly targeted, and that they do indeed have a some dishonorable brutes who shouldn't be shielded and instead the police department should fire and prosecute them themselves.

BLM needs to understand that they're making things worse by demonizing the police and making every case into a bigger deal than it needs to be, making race relations out to be worse than they really are, which then makes things even worse, that playing the victim/oppression card doesn't help, emphasize to all their followers that violence isn't the answer, and need a solid policy platform and political movement organized around it instead of rage against the police or all white people and their privileges/microagressions/etc.

Then ONLY way you are going to make any progress to ending this is to get off the fence.  This bullsh-t Atlas false equivalency game needs to stop.  BLM only started after an untold number of black people were murdered by the state.  This is the stuff of revolutions.  People are born black.  They have no choice.  Police officers that can't do the job properly can quit.  Do not disgrace the memories of those who were murdered by the STATE by doing this false equivalency bullsh-t.

These murders of these police officers is the only logical conclusion.  Where did people think this was going to end?  You don't want to listen to BLM?  Fine.  Then you get to listen to the gunshots of cop killers.  There was an off ramp.  Unfortunately plenty of people in both parties didn't want to take it.  Question is is your precious false equivalency worth the lives of these black people and cops?  Or would you rather solve the problem?

And the media?  F-ck the media.  We wouldn't need Youtube if the media did their job.  Only by citizen journalists recording the executions of black people have we seen the true scope and nature of the problem.



Do you really need BLM to tell you that is f-cked up?  WTF did the "media" or BLM do to make that sadistic f-cked up situation worse?
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2016, 11:58:48 PM »

I'm not saying blame is equal. But it is to be shared. And murder is always wrong. Revenge is not justice.

Revenge has nothing to do with BLM.  Cops are PAID by the taxpayer to do a professional job.  BLM is a spontaneous protest movement.  They are not to blame.  It is incumbent upon the paid professionals to do their jobs correctly.

And the media. The damn media. The media needs to stop inflaming racial tensions to boost their damned ratings, they need to realize they're playing with fire and stop fanning the flames, whether their message is all BLM protestors are thugs or all cops are racist killers. Oh, and maybe, just maybe, something should be done about guns too, by the way.

The only problem with the media is they have under reported police murders for far too long.  Police murders are not increasing.  It is just ordinary people are doing the media's job and telling the world about the injustices.


One thing that must be implemented is much stricter gun control.  We need to make an environment where a gun is a rare thing... not the norm.  We put a man on the moon.  We can give cops a much better working environment.   This massacre in Dallas is third world.  I don't care what the cops allegedly did this should never happen in a civilized country, but the NRA has flooded the country with military weapons.
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2016, 09:42:31 AM »



This tweet has since now been deleted.

Considering what a Republican former Congressman is posting on twitter, the Atlas remarks have been mild.  We need to face the fact that there are some very sick people in America and some of them post on Atlas.
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2016, 10:08:22 AM »

Really loved the rampant and unwarranted speculation from people on this very site about the innocent guy carrying a rifle and smiling with ulterior motives. Roll Eyes

The guy was clearly acting normal. Really sick to read into his behaviors with some sort of agenda.

Forgive me, but in the civilized country from which I originate, people don't attend emotionally charged rallies with guns bigger than children strapped to their back. Something like that may be normal, but it doesn't mean it should be.

I agree that people shouldn't have been so quick to run with their suspicions, but a gun like that would scare me no matter who was carrying it.

The thing is you aren't from America.  The issue in America was not him carrying the gun.  The issue was him carrying the gun while black.  White people can not only carry guns like that but also point them at the police no problem.  A black man can carry a handgun and tell a cop he has it on him and he will get gunned down in front of a woman and child.  Until that changes there will continue to be horrific incidents.

Seeing as we aren't going to solve racism any time soon it is probably better to remove the vast majority of guns from society.  Sadly in this instance I am glad he carried that gun because it just proved what we already know about law enforcement works.
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2016, 11:19:26 AM »

I'm actually really scared about the idea of a race war right now.

If you want to ignore a multiracial police force and a multiracial group of protestors interacting peacefully and respectfully and concentrate on two crazy guys that's your choice.
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2016, 12:30:17 PM »

I really hate talking about this issue because it sickens me, but here it goes again, I need to vent:

-Police officers need to crack down on the small minority of brute cops, fire and prosecute them fiercely instead of shield them, create a better police culture, build community trust especially with minorities

-Protestors need to realize it's not all cops, it's a small minority of cops, most are putting their lives on the line every day to serve their community, and just want to get home to their family at the end of the day

-Revenge is never justice. Dealing out death, judging who should live and who should die, is never right. Stop the cycle of violence. That doesn't mean don't act, but there are other ways to fight for change. Positive change is possible, it's happened before, it's happening in other areas now. And deep down, we're all people, with good inside us

-the freaking Media needs to stop inflaming race relations to boost their number of viewers, and realize they're playing with fire and fanning the flames, whether it's conservative media saying all BLM protestors are thugs, or liberal media saying all cops are racist killers

-there is a Race problem in this country, we aren't yet living in Martin Luther King's utopia, and we need to accept that and begin to deal with it

-oh and maybe we should do some common-sense Gun reforms while we're at it. I believe in the 2nd amendment, but we also need to accept we have a Gun Violence problem, and do something about it

-let's make sure everyone has access to quality Mental Healthcare while we're at it too


Please stop posting stuff like this.  Most protestors know the difference between a good cop and a bad cop and one of the main reasons we are in this mess is because for decades the media has under reported these shooting.  Posting distortions is not going to help the situation and it is really insulting.  It's sickening that you think there is a sizable number of people in the black community who would even engage in revenge.  White terrorists have been mowing down people and blowing up buildings for decades.  No black person came out and said "white people need to realize blowing up buildings is wrong."  Really your condescension at a time like this is...  I don't know.  I don't even have the words.
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2016, 12:36:31 AM »

I've been busy to say the least here in ATL Wink

But Here a interesting story that I found during some investigating of the MN shooting .  I am not going to spectate anything further until more facts are present.   BUT...
 
[urlhttp://eastsidereviewnews.com/articles/2016/07/05/armed-robbers-hit-lauderdale-convenience-store][/url]

I will say the Baton Rouge incident looks 100% justified.  You don't take any chances fighting with a 300lbs man on the ground with a gun... doest matter if its in his pocket or not.   From what I see of the video it appears he attempted to retrieve it.   He's a convicted felon with a gun and actively resisted the police.  Stupid games will always win you stupid prizes and seems his was a 1st class ticket to the land of 6 feet under.   Nobody to blame but himself. 

Thank you for signing off on this killing of a black man.  I'm glad you are privy to information even the FBI doesn't have yet.  So comforting to know good white people like you can shut the books on stuff like this within 48hrs with just the information you google on the internet.  With people like you on the case it is strange BLM even exists.  Such thoughtful consideration of a slain man.  Good job.
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2016, 11:44:47 AM »

    If the Minnesota shooting pushed the Dallas shooter over the edge, I wonder if it would have made a difference had he known that the policeman involved wasn't white?  Also, if the media would give more coverage to the many cases of non-blacks being killed by police that might be a useful community service to spread awareness that its not only blacks being killed by police.

I'm sure all of that would have "cured" this guy...

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What is weird is how people on this forum from both sides of the aisle regularly post statements that have as their basis that African Americans don't have even rudimentary intelligence.  But when something like this happens those same people all pile into the thread and say how using simple logic an insane black man could easily be convinced not to do something like this.  Can't have it both ways guys.
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2016, 12:09:57 PM »

I've been busy to say the least here in ATL Wink

But Here a interesting story that I found during some investigating of the MN shooting .  I am not going to spectate anything further until more facts are present.   BUT...
 
http://eastsidereviewnews.com/articles/2016/07/05/armed-robbers-hit-lauderdale-convenience-store


There are a couple other factors that may be at play in the Falcon Heights shooting, nothing that excuses any of it, but may provide some insight into the officer's mindset. I grew up near the area of the shooting and frequently bicycled down Larpenteur as a teen and then as a college student going to work. One of my best friends still lives a few blocks from the shooting and shared with me some of her observations about a day after the incident.

Falcon Heights and Lauderdale are two tiny suburbs that contract for police service from St Anthony.

Larpenteur Ave is a main road that crosses through both Lauderdale and Falcon Heights. The police are known to make traffic stops along that stretch of Larpenteur for minor infractions. They target those from outside of those towns, which is of course the vast majority of the vehicles through that area. Needless to say it is a consistent revenue source for those towns.

About 30 hours before the shooting a violent storm passed through the area dropping 4 inches of rain in less than an hour, flooding streets, and wind at 70 mph knocked out power. Emergency services, including police, were up all night and day helping with the weather recovery. Some neighborhoods near the shooting only had power restored a few hours before the shooting.

I don't know how much rest Officer Yanez had in the 36 hours before the shooting, but I can easily imagine a policeman that was fatigued and under stress. I would question why officers weren't told to lighten up on some of the routine stops given the weather-induced chaos of the previous two days.

The weather?!
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2016, 04:10:56 PM »

I've been busy to say the least here in ATL Wink

But Here a interesting story that I found during some investigating of the MN shooting .  I am not going to spectate anything further until more facts are present.   BUT...
 
http://eastsidereviewnews.com/articles/2016/07/05/armed-robbers-hit-lauderdale-convenience-store


There are a couple other factors that may be at play in the Falcon Heights shooting, nothing that excuses any of it, but may provide some insight into the officer's mindset. I grew up near the area of the shooting and frequently bicycled down Larpenteur as a teen and then as a college student going to work. One of my best friends still lives a few blocks from the shooting and shared with me some of her observations about a day after the incident.

Falcon Heights and Lauderdale are two tiny suburbs that contract for police service from St Anthony.

Larpenteur Ave is a main road that crosses through both Lauderdale and Falcon Heights. The police are known to make traffic stops along that stretch of Larpenteur for minor infractions. They target those from outside of those towns, which is of course the vast majority of the vehicles through that area. Needless to say it is a consistent revenue source for those towns.

About 30 hours before the shooting a violent storm passed through the area dropping 4 inches of rain in less than an hour, flooding streets, and wind at 70 mph knocked out power. Emergency services, including police, were up all night and day helping with the weather recovery. Some neighborhoods near the shooting only had power restored a few hours before the shooting.

I don't know how much rest Officer Yanez had in the 36 hours before the shooting, but I can easily imagine a policeman that was fatigued and under stress. I would question why officers weren't told to lighten up on some of the routine stops given the weather-induced chaos of the previous two days.

The weather?!

During floods and widespread power outages first responders often put in a lot of overtime to deal with the situation. The extra work with less rest can increase stress and stress can impair judgment, and I've seen that firsthand. As I said I don't know if it applied to the individual, but it would have applied to the force in general.

Thank you for explaining to us how bad weather works.  You should forward your posts to BLM so they will finally understand that there really isn't a problem.
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2016, 06:02:00 PM »

I've been busy to say the least here in ATL Wink

But Here a interesting story that I found during some investigating of the MN shooting .  I am not going to spectate anything further until more facts are present.   BUT...
 
http://eastsidereviewnews.com/articles/2016/07/05/armed-robbers-hit-lauderdale-convenience-store


There are a couple other factors that may be at play in the Falcon Heights shooting, nothing that excuses any of it, but may provide some insight into the officer's mindset. I grew up near the area of the shooting and frequently bicycled down Larpenteur as a teen and then as a college student going to work. One of my best friends still lives a few blocks from the shooting and shared with me some of her observations about a day after the incident.

Falcon Heights and Lauderdale are two tiny suburbs that contract for police service from St Anthony.

Larpenteur Ave is a main road that crosses through both Lauderdale and Falcon Heights. The police are known to make traffic stops along that stretch of Larpenteur for minor infractions. They target those from outside of those towns, which is of course the vast majority of the vehicles through that area. Needless to say it is a consistent revenue source for those towns.

About 30 hours before the shooting a violent storm passed through the area dropping 4 inches of rain in less than an hour, flooding streets, and wind at 70 mph knocked out power. Emergency services, including police, were up all night and day helping with the weather recovery. Some neighborhoods near the shooting only had power restored a few hours before the shooting.

I don't know how much rest Officer Yanez had in the 36 hours before the shooting, but I can easily imagine a policeman that was fatigued and under stress. I would question why officers weren't told to lighten up on some of the routine stops given the weather-induced chaos of the previous two days.

The weather?!

During floods and widespread power outages first responders often put in a lot of overtime to deal with the situation. The extra work with less rest can increase stress and stress can impair judgment, and I've seen that firsthand. As I said I don't know if it applied to the individual, but it would have applied to the force in general.

Thank you for explaining to us how bad weather works.  You should forward your posts to BLM so they will finally understand that there really isn't a problem.

If you read my post you would understand that I think there is a problem. There are problems with how and when stops are conducted. Better understanding of how and when certain types of stops should be pursued can help avoid some of the tragic results we have seen. Better understanding of an officer's frame of mind on a given day is something supervisors can improve.

Yeah.  You told us that it was windy and rained in the days before this poor man was executed.  Your naval gazing about the weather really is tone deaf and inappropriate in light of the fact a man was killed.  It is because of people like you BLM exists.  A black man is executed for no reason in front of his fiancee and your reaction is to go  thumbing through old weather reports looking for answers.  Why you would spend so much time researching this and typing it up is anyone's guess, although I have some ideas.  You don't even know if this guy was working or if he worked any more hours than he normally would.  I have seen no one come out and make any of the claims you are posting.  The police officer at no point said he was stressed.  Why are you pushing this narrative?
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2016, 07:24:56 PM »

I've been busy to say the least here in ATL Wink

But Here a interesting story that I found during some investigating of the MN shooting .  I am not going to spectate anything further until more facts are present.   BUT...
 
http://eastsidereviewnews.com/articles/2016/07/05/armed-robbers-hit-lauderdale-convenience-store


There are a couple other factors that may be at play in the Falcon Heights shooting, nothing that excuses any of it, but may provide some insight into the officer's mindset. I grew up near the area of the shooting and frequently bicycled down Larpenteur as a teen and then as a college student going to work. One of my best friends still lives a few blocks from the shooting and shared with me some of her observations about a day after the incident.

Falcon Heights and Lauderdale are two tiny suburbs that contract for police service from St Anthony.

Larpenteur Ave is a main road that crosses through both Lauderdale and Falcon Heights. The police are known to make traffic stops along that stretch of Larpenteur for minor infractions. They target those from outside of those towns, which is of course the vast majority of the vehicles through that area. Needless to say it is a consistent revenue source for those towns.

About 30 hours before the shooting a violent storm passed through the area dropping 4 inches of rain in less than an hour, flooding streets, and wind at 70 mph knocked out power. Emergency services, including police, were up all night and day helping with the weather recovery. Some neighborhoods near the shooting only had power restored a few hours before the shooting.

I don't know how much rest Officer Yanez had in the 36 hours before the shooting, but I can easily imagine a policeman that was fatigued and under stress. I would question why officers weren't told to lighten up on some of the routine stops given the weather-induced chaos of the previous two days.

The weather?!

During floods and widespread power outages first responders often put in a lot of overtime to deal with the situation. The extra work with less rest can increase stress and stress can impair judgment, and I've seen that firsthand. As I said I don't know if it applied to the individual, but it would have applied to the force in general.

Thank you for explaining to us how bad weather works.  You should forward your posts to BLM so they will finally understand that there really isn't a problem.

If you read my post you would understand that I think there is a problem. There are problems with how and when stops are conducted. Better understanding of how and when certain types of stops should be pursued can help avoid some of the tragic results we have seen. Better understanding of an officer's frame of mind on a given day is something supervisors can improve.

Yeah.  You told us that it was windy and rained in the days before this poor man was executed.  Your naval gazing about the weather really is tone deaf and inappropriate in light of the fact a man was killed.  It is because of people like you BLM exists.  A black man is executed for no reason in front of his fiancee and your reaction is to go  thumbing through old weather reports looking for answers.  Why you would spend so much time researching this and typing it up is anyone's guess, although I have some ideas.  You don't even know if this guy was working or if he worked any more hours than he normally would.  I have seen no one come out and make any of the claims you are posting.  The police officer at no point said he was stressed.  Why are you pushing this narrative?

Because some people are pushing a narrative that this is only about race. Violent events are rarely due to a single cause.

Now that you've told us it rains sometimes and the wind can blow you are telling us sometimes things in life have multiple contributing factors.  Wow.  Thanks professor.  Hey some of us have jobs.  I walk into disasters all the time.  What you do is handle the most egregious stuff first and worry about pruning the minor stuff later.  Navel gazing about rain at a time like this is not the number one priority.

And none of the posts I've read have said this is only about race.  I guess like talking about the weather you have to throw a strawman out there to try and defend the indefensible.

Edit: As I said in my initial post on this, my info came from someone with direct knowledge of the policing behavior on that stretch or road. I claim no extensive research.

Yeah your amazing source that told you sometimes cops stop people for minor infractions just to get money.  Whoa!  Hold the presses!  Gee maybe some black activists should talk about that.  Oh, wait a minute they do... all the time.

Given the incidents of the last week your posts are really disturbing.  It's almost like a robot posting on the internet.
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