SE2- The People's Government Amendment (passed)

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

The People's Government Bill

1. Citizens will be allowed to introduce bills in the SE legislature, even if they are from other areas, essentially allowing anyone who wants to introduce a bill can introduce one.
2. The Maximum amount of bills being debated or voted on shall be increased to 4.


Debate? I support it!

Sponsor: Haslam2020

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

1. 3 and 4 are already there. We do budgets every year, we just haven't gotten to it yet this year. Please take that out.

2. This is an amendment, otherwise it's unconstitutional. Please retitle it (both in the thread and the thread's title) as The People's Government Amendment.

After you make these necessary corrections, I'll give my opinion.

Ok, got it!

I am against 1. I have doubts against intention of people from other regions to interference in South politics.

Hmm. I believe it is necessary to the South to also pick up things from other regions, advice if you will. Maybe that could lead to a more prospering region.

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

Well, lets encourage the other regions to?


Also, I'm thinking about a potential add on to this bill: stop votes, debates, etc. in Southern elections. Good idea?

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

Ok, and I've decided to re-consider the thing about other citizens but all Southern citizens should be able to introduce bills!

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

They can still introduce ideas or make comments in legislative procedures. They can even float a full bill that a Legislator or the Governor can then sponsor. All of these things have happened under the current leadership of me and Haslam--we're not suppressing ideas.

I might consider supporting an amendment that allows for any citizen to introduce legislation in any other region's legislature IF it only comes in effect once the other regions pass amendments doing the same. Otherwise it's an inequality being created. Citizens of the Northeast, Mideast, Midwest, and Pacific can do something citizens of the South cannot: make the Southern Legislature debate a piece of legislation. I'd have to check the exact laws in each region, but if it's similar to the South, it's something they can't even do in their own region! It would be a betrayal of my job as Southern Governor to support anything that raised the privileges of citizens in other regions above those of Southern citizens, even in a small way.

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

New Amendment:

1. The maximum size of votes being voted upon at the legislature at one time can be up to 4.
2. Any southern citizen can introduce bills into the legislature.
3. Any non-southern citizen who wishes to introduce a bill can with the support of one southern assemblyman and or southern citizen, it shall then be voted upon.


I think it's great. Any debate to this?

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

1. The maximum size of votes being voted upon at the legislature at one time can be up to 4.
2. Any southern citizen can introduce bills into the legislature.
3. Any non-southern citizen who wishes to introduce a bill can with the support of one southern assemblyman and or southern citizen, it shall then be voted upon.

I have a few thoughts on the updated text:

 - As I said before, I think section 1 isn't necessary in an amendment. I think you can just do that as Speaker. It's not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution that we have to limit it to 3. So you should remove that.

 - And do we need section 3? It seems redundant. Is there anything that can be done with section 3 that can't be done with section 2? I mean, a non-Southern citizen can already suggest a bill, and then a Legislator or the Governor can introduce it. The same would apply for non-government citizens with section 2.

 - Three corrections: it should be "Southern" (it's a proper noun), it should be "sponsor" instead of "introduce" (the Speaker is the only one who introduces bills), and if we keep section 3 it should say "Legislator" instead of "Assemblyman."

Alright, thoughts on this? The other points could be more easily corrected, of course, but the second one (about section 3) needs feedback from the Legislators, specifically Speaker Haslam.

Got it!

1. Any southern citizen can introduce bills into the legislature.

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

1. Any southern citizen can introduce bills into the legislature.

Alright, since this is not a stand-alone bill but an amendment to the Constitution, it should be plugged into that. I shall do so now:

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It's a simpler process than I expected--just replace "two" with "one" and cross out the "s" (if it's not clear, that "s" at the end of "citizens" is crossed out to make "citizen").

Obviously we've dropped the IDS stuff ("Imperial Legislature" is now simply the "Legislature," "Imperial Dominion of the South" is now simply the "South," and the executive is now the "Governor," not the "Emperor") but this exists all throughout the document. We could correct the whole thing, but I think it's easier to leave it there so the Constitution is consistent. Besides, we'll make a new Constitution as a new region after the nation's ConCon, so it would be lots of correction with only temporary effect.

What about:

II. Any non-southern citizen may introduce a bill, so long as their region has an equivalent right for Southern citizens.

Hmmm...I'm still iffy on this idea (I'm also iffy on the idea of this People's Government thing, for what it's worth), regardless of whether we get other regions on board.

If Haslam wants to try that as a separate amendment, I would say it should not be voted on until every other region has proposed a similar amendment. You two could try to organize that if you'd like. Or, as this is Haslam's amendment, he could change the text to do that via amending it. But be warned it would make it harder to get through both this house and the Southern public. It's Haslam's call.

I'd love to hear what other people think about this, maybe I'm wrong.

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

I like Kingpolean's idea, that could be a future amendment for sure. But for now, that amendment is great

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

Let's vote. Aye!

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

got it

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

AYE! The Amendment passes 3-0. Good job, guys.