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« on: October 28, 2016, 12:55:28 PM »

Should've been Biden. Congrats for nominating female Nixon.

She may be a lot of things but she is nowhere near as bad as Nixon. Careless acts for convenience doesn't even come close to the cover ups and Watergate scandal. Not even REMOTELY close.
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2016, 12:58:43 PM »

And for those saying this won't hurt her, that is absurd. She will most definitely still win, but if this sucks the enthusiasm out of some people to go vote and/or changes some minds, then all those sweeping gains we were looking primed to get are in danger.
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2016, 01:07:55 PM »

And for those saying this won't hurt her, that is absurd. She will most definitely still win, but if this sucks the enthusiasm out of some people to go vote and/or changes some minds, then all those sweeping gains we were looking primed to get are in danger.

i can at least somehow care for the "increases trump motivation"-point...but.....sucks enthusiasm out of HRC voters? seems not very reasonable to me.

Or if it pumps up Trump supporters, then it is still bad. It wouldn't be wise to assume that there aren't people out there who already had soft support for her that can be neutralized by events like this. It's not that they decide to vote for Trump - it's that they just don't show up at all.

Generic ballot question and support for downballot candidates has roughly trailed Clinton's support, so if her polls go down, eventually it will for downballot Democrats too.

She's going to take a hit because of this unless something new about Trump comes out to balance things. There is little time to recover now. If Clinton/Democrats have anything, they absolutely have to drop it by the beginning of next week.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2016, 01:38:20 PM »


And there is the problem - "soon" would usually be no less than a week or two, and election day is in <2 weeks. There is no time to recover unless some new bombshell about Trump drops and takes the media attention away from this.
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2016, 09:32:26 PM »
« Edited: October 28, 2016, 09:34:15 PM by Virginia »

I thought it would be Clinton +2.5 for the whole season, even when Trump was getting his convention/1st FBI bounce.  This reminds me of the Bush DUI more than anything else.  I now think Clinton will lose the electoral college and the PV could go either way.

Why have you doubted the polls? Isn't that the kind of behavior that made fools of numerous pundits/analysts when they said "nooo Trump won't win, it's ok."

Hillary has been ahead almost the entire time, and that was before early voting started. She has weathered worse storms so far. If you're right, then Trump should be up in the polls by the middle-end of next week. If he isn't, then you're wrong. Too many votes are being put away already. Trump would need a more aggressive lead and quick to win this.

Anyway, I think you're being way too dramatic here, and Polnut is right, and I don't mean any offense really but you've been obscenely pessimistic about any sort of convincing win, or even a Clinton win, for some reason.
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2016, 09:35:35 PM »
« Edited: October 28, 2016, 09:37:25 PM by Virginia »


One last gift to his fellow Republicans before he is replaced by President-elect Clinton?

So first Obama decides not to boot DWS out of chair despite obvious problems, and DWS goes on to cause major problems with Clinton's campaign, then he puts a Republican in charge of the FBI, who goes on to wreak havoc on Clinton's campaign by breaking with long-standing FBI traditions on info. on investigations.

Some real boneheaded thinking Obama!
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2016, 10:00:08 PM »

We'll see.  Perhaps I am overreacting or perhaps there is a really strong anti-Trump hit yet to come.  That having been said, I remember when you thought this would be another 1964, so you have clearly become more pessimistic with time as well.  Keep in mind that the economic/approval/war and peace fundamentals models basically have this election as a tie.  That's where I think this thing is going if this investigation makes her look equally as bad as Trump.  But Clinton will have a heck of a time with the EC if it's a tie (unless it's specifically all of the hesitant red state R's coming home).  

I don't know if 1964 is an adequate example. I always thought a lower-double digit win was doable and I still do, but I underestimated how much baggage Clinton really has & given the ratings-hungry nature of the media, things have to work out just right leading into election day for that to happen. I don't at all buy the idea that each party automatically gets 44% or 45% of the electorate no matter what. I'm sure there is a hard base, but it's not that high.

Also, iirc, the idea of fundamentals assumes a normal, generic Republican running a normal campaign. Trump is/has neither. He's quite possibly an example of the one candidate they could put up who would lay waste to that theory.

Here's the only realistic scenarios in my opinion, and feel free to quote me on it:

a) Her polls will drop and stabilize around low (1-3) single digits and if nothing else happens, it will probably trend slightly up right before election day.

b) Her polls start to dip, but whatever remaining oppo is dropped next week and either her numbers stabilize where they were pre-Comey or they go higher, depending on severity of oppo. Or oppo is dropped this weekend and we don't really see the effect of today's events if it's bad.

c) There is no more magical Trump oppo and Clinton gets hammered with more Wikileaks stuff and by election day Trump takes a lead, but it's too late due to early voting.


Either way, I don't see how The Orange One wins at this point.
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2016, 02:49:03 PM »

I don't think "something else" will happen in this story, but I'm counting on "something else" happening that will distract from this. A Trump bombshell, or even something the media invents out of thin air and/or blows out of proportion to pummel him with like they've done countless times with Hillary (ex: She has pneumonia! SHE'S DOOOOOMMMEEDDDD!")

If on the off chance this is the last major event of the election, then yeah, things suddenly get very dicey.

Isn't it crazy how Trump's first group of assault accusers gets big press, like the Clinton email stuff, then it dies off after a 5~ days or so, yet Clinton's email "scandal" literally ERUPTS every single time any little break in the case happens? This latest Comey stuff is pretty weak all things considered yet it hit the news like a tsunami.

But, of course, a continuing trickle of Trump sexual assault accusers literally gets almost no coverage. Media has now confirmed that emails that are probably completely benign are significantly more important than dozens of women coming forward accusing Trump, a presidential candidate, of sexual assault.

Pretty amazing to me. Given that Trump confirmed his behavior on tape, I think that whole story is worth more than 5~ days of coverage.
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2016, 05:02:52 PM »

Harry Reid informs Comey that he may have violated the Hatch Act via letter today:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/792843842479239168

lol the Hatch Act? that's tenuous.

Either way, Reid has a very good point there. Maybe to prove motive here would be very difficult, but what Comey has done in this case has been unnecessary and certainly looks like he is trying to help Republicans (even if he truly isn't). He is not required to keep Chaffetz informed of every little development - any "obligation" Comey thinks he has is entirely of his own doing.
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2016, 05:07:06 PM »

I wouldn't associate the word "powerful" with a man who got beat up by his Boflex home gym.

Are you saying that someone, especially an old person, who slips/falls or otherwise makes a clumsy mistake on exercise equipment can't say or [/i]write[/i] something that feels powerful? (not saying what he wrote was powerful, either)
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2016, 05:05:31 PM »

Yeah... Pretty sure high-level FBI officials know how our media works. If you throw a steak in front of a dog, you can't blame him for eating it.
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