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« on: July 19, 2017, 04:14:54 PM »

Voter ID states have provisions that allow for free state-issued ID cards to be issued to those who do not have other acceptable ID, specifically to avoid 24A violations.

It does not always work out that way, and sometimes those provisions are only added after litigation. Wisconsin in 2016 had a big to-do about them refusing to give people IDs even when they were supposed to. There was secretly-taped footage of them turning people away. They had to go under court supervision to get it right, and by that point it was already close to the election.

Further, this doesn't help when the relevant agencies are difficult to get to for low income people or those who work a lot, whether it is due to hours and/or locations. Also not everyone even knows about the ability to get a free ID. Just because you create some rule and put it on the record does not mean people are going to realize it is even an option. This is why Republicans are often fine with provisions granting free IDs - because they know it won't be taken advantage of in any way that hurts them electorally.

We don't even need photo ID. Doing it like West Virginia is fine - require just basic documents such as a bank statement, a credit card or any other number of easy non-photo IDs. I'm sorry, but there is no army of people willing to commit fraud that will have all that. There is no army of people period. In-person fraud is the worst way to even try and steal an election, yet Republicans put all the focus on photo IDs because they know it is one of the best ways to shrink the electorate in their favor.
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2017, 12:42:13 PM »

Many low-income people do not even have bank accounts or credit cards. There will always be a small minority of people who are marginalized from all aspects of society, including elections. Voter ID laws or the lack thereof does not affect how marginalized these people are from the political process. This is unfortunate, but it will always be this way.

These were also allowed by the WV bill:

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That's pretty expansive. You're right, someone is always going to get left out, but that doesn't mean you should always go for the most strict set of IDs you an. That doesn't really make sense. Voting restrictions should only be implemented on an as-needed basis, and only in proportion to the problem it is meant to solve. In that case, having strict photo ID when in-person voter fraud is rare and not even an efficient way to steal an election is like using a .50 cal sniper rifle to take down a doe.
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2017, 03:43:42 PM »

Donald Trump Tells His Voter Fraud Panel: Find Me ‘Something’

http://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-tells-his-voter-fraud-panel-find-me-something

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