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Poll
Question: Who would you vote for?
#1
Leung Chun-ying (I-inc)
 
#2
John Tsang Chun-wah  (I)
 
#3
Regina Ip Lau Suk-yee (NPP)
 
#4
Jasper Tsang Yok-sing (DAB)
 
#5
Antony Leung Kam-chung (I)
 
#6
Audrey Eu (CP)
 
#7
Alan Leong Kah-kit (CP)
 
#8
James To (DP)
 
#9
Raymond Wong Yuk-man (I/PPI)
 
#10
Woo Kwok-hing (I)
 
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Partisan results

Total Voters: 7

Author Topic: Hong Kong Chief Executive election, 2017  (Read 9375 times)
Derpist
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« on: January 16, 2017, 07:35:09 AM »

Any left wingers and/or socialists in the pro-Beijing camp?
At this stage, no.
TBH, I'm actually a hardcore pro-Beijing socialist advocate, and I would strongly oppose a John Tsang candidacy - he is a old financial guard who has a big mouth, more said than done. No tax rebates, bureaucracy ensues, prompting himself to be a popular contender...heck, no more electoral tactics please.
My wordings might be harsh, and John Tsang somewhat kindly receives public grievances - however, I need to spell out the truth. He is a good listener, but a horrible doer.

Have there even been leftists of the pro-Beijing. regard?

I completely agree with you. What about the Hong Kong Federation of Trade Unions.

I believe that all ares of china (hongkong, tibet), are better off under one china, hopefully under socialism.

Is it possible to be a pro-Beijing leftist? There should be nothing in the public policy of Beijing that attracts any social democrat or socialist.

Hell, if tore down Beijing tomorrow and had elections, the Chinese people would probably vote in agrarian socialism.
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Derpist
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2017, 07:50:13 AM »

For Lord Halifax, I respect your opinion on the soverignty of Tibet, but I could not agree with it. A slightly enlarged autonomy in the region would soothe the resentment of ethnic Tibetans, for the record.


IIRC, that is the Dalai Lama's current stance. The problem is that Beijing is not willing to agree to slightly enlarged autonomy. Which is pretty silly since for all intents and purposes, China is already intensely decentralized.
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Derpist
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2017, 08:06:21 AM »

For Lord Halifax, I respect your opinion on the soverignty of Tibet, but I could not agree with it. A slightly enlarged autonomy in the region would soothe the resentment of ethnic Tibetans, for the record.


IIRC, that is the Dalai Lama's current stance. The problem is that Beijing is not willing to agree to slightly enlarged autonomy. Which is pretty silly since for all intents and purposes, China is already intensely decentralized.
Yeah, but the degree of enlargement is under debate. Of course I strongly oppose any secession movement in Tibet, Xinjiang (separatist language East Turkistan) or Manchuria, as well as formal declaration of independence of Taiwan. These are non-negotiable.


Uh, I can get countries not wanting parts of themselves to leave, but Beijing has a tendency of conflating autonomist movements with secessionist movements. And they're bizarrely terrified of it. The only region that could plausibly want to leave is Tibet, and Tibet has 6 million people. The rest of China has a billion people and nuclear weapons. And Tibet remains a PR nightmare for the government.

And if the government stopped pillaging their country for any wealth they can extract and then spend on American real estate, they'd have enough economic prowess to pretty much control Taiwan by proxy.
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