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« on: August 15, 2016, 09:56:18 PM »

How about you just make one thread and keep asking as it goes on?
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2016, 10:14:06 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2016, 10:20:28 PM »
« Edited: August 15, 2016, 10:23:11 PM by Arch »


I mean why will they turnout more for her than Obama, who was African-American.

Well, gee, I wonder... who was it that made up and championed that whole birth certificate "Obama is a Kenyan" deal? Hmm...
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2016, 10:33:30 PM »


I mean why will they turnout more for her than Obama, who was African-American.

Well, gee, I wonder... who was it that brought up that whole birth certificate "Obama is a Kenyan" deal? Hmm...

Obama is of Kenyan descent. But that was Trump and rightfully so because we have the right to question the personal background of our president.

He wasn't questioning his "personal background." He was attempting to delegitimize the incumbent president by using his racial/ethnic background to question his citizenship.
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2016, 10:41:26 PM »


I mean why will they turnout more for her than Obama, who was African-American.

Well, gee, I wonder... who was it that brought up that whole birth certificate "Obama is a Kenyan" deal? Hmm...

Obama is of Kenyan descent. But that was Trump and rightfully so because we have the right to question the personal background of our president.

He wasn't questioning his "personal background." He was attempting to delegitimize the incumbent president by using his racial/ethnic background to question his citizenship.

Okay. If Obama didn't believe that was a valid argument then why did he release his birth certificate? Thanks for the great debates as always Arch.

Smiley Thanks. I'm pretty sure we both enjoy them.

Obama released it to spite him and to put the issue to rest among those who actually started to believe Trump. Now, think about it, before Obama, no presidential candidate had his legitimacy questioned on the basis of his race and was asked to release their birth certificate to satisfy the opposition. That alone, sets Trump in such a bad position in the AA community that I can envision him doing just as bad, if not worse, than McCain and/or Romney with AA voters.
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2016, 10:46:42 PM »


I mean why will they turnout more for her than Obama, who was African-American.

Well, gee, I wonder... who was it that brought up that whole birth certificate "Obama is a Kenyan" deal? Hmm...

Obama is of Kenyan descent. But that was Trump and rightfully so because we have the right to question the personal background of our president.

He wasn't questioning his "personal background." He was attempting to delegitimize the incumbent president by using his racial/ethnic background to question his citizenship.

Okay. If Obama didn't believe that was a valid argument then why did he release his birth certificate? Thanks for the great debates as always Arch.

Smiley Thanks. I'm pretty sure we both enjoy them.

Obama released it to spite him and to put the issue to rest among those who actually started to believe Trump. Now, think about it, before Obama, no presidential candidate had his legitimacy questioned on the basis of his race and was asked to release their birth certificate to satisfy the opposition. That alone, sets Trump in such a bad position in the AA community that I can envision him doing just as bad, if not worse, than McCain and/or Romney with AA voters.

I believe he can recover because of the aforementioned point about opportunity in these communities. They want to have an equal chance as everyone else and strive to become successful on their own. They cannot achieve that under a Democratic president. He certainly has the potential to perform better than either McCain or Romney because he isn't a typical Republican politician and I think he'll get no lower than 10%.

Time will tell, my friend.
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2016, 10:57:05 PM »
« Edited: August 15, 2016, 11:02:26 PM by Arch »


I mean why will they turnout more for her than Obama, who was African-American.

Well, gee, I wonder... who was it that brought up that whole birth certificate "Obama is a Kenyan" deal? Hmm...

Obama is of Kenyan descent. But that was Trump and rightfully so because we have the right to question the personal background of our president.

He wasn't questioning his "personal background." He was attempting to delegitimize the incumbent president by using his racial/ethnic background to question his citizenship.

Okay. If Obama didn't believe that was a valid argument then why did he release his birth certificate? Thanks for the great debates as always Arch.

Smiley Thanks. I'm pretty sure we both enjoy them.

Obama released it to spite him and to put the issue to rest among those who actually started to believe Trump. Now, think about it, before Obama, no presidential candidate had his legitimacy questioned on the basis of his race and was asked to release their birth certificate to satisfy the opposition. That alone, sets Trump in such a bad position in the AA community that I can envision him doing just as bad, if not worse, than McCain and/or Romney with AA voters.

Obama didn't just do that, he humiliated Trump to his face later in the week at the Correspondents' Dinner, and then ordered the raid that killed Bin Laden the next night and in doing so made Trump look even more small and petty in comparison.

That was an amazing few days.

The past is irrelevant and is not about Obama & Trump's feuds. This election is about the future, and all that matter now is that Obama is a lame duck president and has struggled to provide leadership for the country.

He is no lame duck. After November, sure, but before then, no. He has made a significant and positive impact for the most part of these last 8 years, ranging from the normalization of foreign relations with Cuba to overseeing recovery from one of the worst economic disasters in American history to protecting our right to have fair access to internet services, allowing us to have debates such as these.

History matters because, in the context of how the AA community will view and vote in a Trump v Clinton election, it was relatively recent, and they will punish him accordingly at the polls. Not that Hillary isn't appreciated by the community either. It's just that he has a lot more than the favorable view of one candidate going against him. This is without factoring in all the other inflammatory rhetoric he's been using and the disastrous campaign management.
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2016, 11:08:24 PM »


I mean why will they turnout more for her than Obama, who was African-American.

Well, gee, I wonder... who was it that brought up that whole birth certificate "Obama is a Kenyan" deal? Hmm...

Obama is of Kenyan descent. But that was Trump and rightfully so because we have the right to question the personal background of our president.

He wasn't questioning his "personal background." He was attempting to delegitimize the incumbent president by using his racial/ethnic background to question his citizenship.

Okay. If Obama didn't believe that was a valid argument then why did he release his birth certificate? Thanks for the great debates as always Arch.

Smiley Thanks. I'm pretty sure we both enjoy them.

Obama released it to spite him and to put the issue to rest among those who actually started to believe Trump. Now, think about it, before Obama, no presidential candidate had his legitimacy questioned on the basis of his race and was asked to release their birth certificate to satisfy the opposition. That alone, sets Trump in such a bad position in the AA community that I can envision him doing just as bad, if not worse, than McCain and/or Romney with AA voters.

Obama didn't just do that, he humiliated Trump to his face later in the week at the Correspondents' Dinner, and then ordered the raid that killed Bin Laden the next night and in doing so made Trump look even more small and petty in comparison.

That was an amazing few days.

The past is irrelevant and is not about Obama & Trump's feuds. This election is about the future, and all that matter now is that Obama is a lame duck president and has struggled to provide leadership for the country.

He is no lame duck. After November, sure, but before then, no. He has made a significant and positive impact for the most part of these last 8 years, ranging from the normalization of foreign relations with Cuba to overseeing recovery from one of the worst economic disasters in American history to protecting our right to have fair access to internet services, allowing us to have debates such as these.

History matters because, in the context of how the AA community will view and vote in a Trump v Clinton election, it was relatively recent, and they will punish him accordingly at the polls. Not that Hillary isn't appreciated by the community either. It's just that he has a lot more than favorable view of one candidate going against him. This is without factoring in all the other inflammatory rhetoric he's been using and the disastrous campaign management.

The AA community has to make a choice on who they want to give them the best chance to succeed. Will they dwell on the past or look toward a brighter future? Also history does matter, however, it can not dictate nor predict the future accurately. I have to give Obama credit for making us bounce back from the recession but that's about all I give him credit for. The rhetoric has been apart of his campaign for as long as I can remember but that is not likely to change although it can be altered. I think he would be better off staying on message instead of creating disputes. The Cuban Thaw has mixed criticisms but I'm sure Florida will not react to kindly to that.

If they didn't go for Bernie on the same basis, they will certainly not go for Trump. From my understanding, the AA community values commitment and history of treatment over promises because the latter is tangible and can be banked on for the future more securely.

Trump had the potential to sell a really good message, but he's banking on soft white nationalism to push it and with no substantive development at that. Unfortunately, that is not a winning strategy in the contemporary U.S., much less the AA community.
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2016, 01:34:57 AM »

To be perfectly honest, I think the better question is how Obama managed to lose it in 2012.

That is a very good question.
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