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Shameless Lefty Hack
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« on: July 23, 2016, 12:36:32 PM »

I hope the concept of describing anyone to Hillary's left as 'liberal' is put away for eternity.

As part of that left wing, I certainly hope not. The Kaine pick is disappointing. I sincerely hope that 2018 features a series of primary challenges from our side.

Anyone who says the Democratic Party hasn't moved way left needs to seriously contemplate that we are in a political climate where Hillary Clinton is not sufficiently liberal, LOL.  The fact that she's labeled as some sort of economic moderate is bewildering.

Free trade, regulation of financial institutions.
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Shameless Lefty Hack
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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2016, 01:28:23 PM »

I hope the concept of describing anyone to Hillary's left as 'liberal' is put away for eternity.

As part of that left wing, I certainly hope not. The Kaine pick is disappointing. I sincerely hope that 2018 features a series of primary challenges from our side.

Anyone who says the Democratic Party hasn't moved way left needs to seriously contemplate that we are in a political climate where Hillary Clinton is not sufficiently liberal, LOL.  The fact that she's labeled as some sort of economic moderate is bewildering.

Free trade, regulation of financial institutions.

Have you listened to her campaign at all?!

Uhh, are you aware of the stereotypical relationship between politicians and the truth?

Like seriously, I don't get this viewpoint at all. Clinton can campaign however she likes. It's her record of governance that seriously troubles me, and no amount of reversals and promises over one cycle would ever fix that.
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Shameless Lefty Hack
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2016, 03:40:25 PM »

Uhh, are you aware of the stereotypical relationship between politicians and the truth?

Like seriously, I don't get this viewpoint at all. Clinton can campaign however she likes. It's her record of governance that seriously troubles me, and no amount of reversals and promises over one cycle would ever fix that.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/promises-promises/485981/

It seems unfair to say she is going to screw over liberals with lies about regulations. I mean come on. She is at the end of her career and, with her age, basically nearing the end of her life. If there was any time for Hillary to keep her word, it would be now, at the time where she can leave a positive legacy that refutes the criticisms she has faced all her life. To think she doesn't care about this is dehumanizing at best.

She is not going to be perfect, and will surely disappoint some at one point or another, but at least give her a chance.

Re: the article. Man am I happy that the President renegotiated NAFTA like he promised to. Oh wait, he passed a larger agreement of fundamentally the same substance.

Re: your point -

I assume that she and I have very different versions of a positive legacy.

I think she thinks that an interventionist foreign policy is responsible. I disagree.

I think she thinks that economic elites are sufficient stakeholders such that they can regulate themselves. I disagree.

I don't think it's particularly unreasonable to expect that campaign trail switches of policy conducted under great pressure (TPP, Keystone, healthcare, education, her banking plan) are likely to be true goals of Secretary Clinton.

I fully believe that she will govern in the way that she thinks best, and will attempt to lead the US into her vision of a better future. I just happen to disagree with her assumptions, methods, and goals as spelled out in her 14 years in government, and 25 years in Washington.

So no, her chance was from 2001-2014. I don't think she needs another. 
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