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« on: April 04, 2014, 07:40:56 PM »

http://www.thebestschools.org/fundamentalist-belief-inventory/

I found this fun little quiz a few days ago but forgot to share it.  I'm interested to see what you guys get.

My score: 15 out of 40 - Liberal to moderate Christians/Evangelical Christians and traditional Roman Catholics
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2014, 08:49:50 PM »

What if you believe both answers as is the case for me with #3.

Or take for example, #6.  The two answers are:
  • Humans are by nature sinners, and God is under no obligation to save them.
  • Humans are by nature good, and God should do everything he can to help them.
My own belief is
  • Humans are by nature sinners, and God does do everything he can to help them.
Which doesn't fit either answer well.

I had trouble with that one, as well.  I don't believe humans are sinners "by nature" (this would imply the nonexistence of free will) and I also don't believe God is under any "obligation" to "help" someone (as this implies that God only does something because He has to, which would negate any true value to doing an act of good).

It's not a perfect quiz, but I'm more or less pleased with my score.
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2014, 09:07:14 PM »

What if you believe both answers as is the case for me with #3.

Or take for example, #6.  The two answers are:
  • Humans are by nature sinners, and God is under no obligation to save them.
  • Humans are by nature good, and God should do everything he can to help them.
My own belief is
  • Humans are by nature sinners, and God does do everything he can to help them.
Which doesn't fit either answer well.

I had trouble with that one, as well.  I don't believe humans are sinners "by nature" (this would imply the nonexistence of free will) and I also don't believe God is under any "obligation" to "help" someone (as this implies that God only does something because He has to, which would negate any true value to doing an act of good).

It's not a perfect quiz, but I'm more or less pleased with my score.

I got 15 as well.  Since I believe sin is an inherent consequence of free will, I don't see a dichotomy between the existence of free will and that we are sinners by nature.  Similarly, God's omnibenevolence is what obligates em to help. In a very real sense, God's attributes keep him from doing "good" in the human sense because God is incapable of sin due to his lack of free will.

I interpret "by nature" to mean something that is exclusive to personal choice.  A person is tall "by nature."  A person is gay "by nature."  A person chooses to sin.  I believe it is certainly possible for a person to live a "sinless life," but the chances of that are very low because there is too much material incentive not to do so.

Perhaps, Ernest, I've been misunderstanding your views on objective morality all this time.  Do you deny that God has free will, or do you deny omnibenevolence as a real concept?
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2014, 08:03:01 PM »

"You scored 1 out of 40," which accurately put me into the atheists and agnostics category.

The one point I got would almost certainly for responding that alcohol consumption is sinful.

You're a teetotaler?
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2014, 05:23:00 PM »

31/40. I agree with JBrase that the test was poorly worded.

That still seems high for you, Sanchez, even though I'm not entirely familiar with your theological views.  Are you still a creationist?
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2014, 06:38:55 PM »

31/40. I agree with JBrase that the test was poorly worded.

That still seems high for you, Sanchez, even though I'm not entirely familiar with your theological views.  Are you still a creationist?
Of course. You speak as if creationism was some fringe position that would make my score higher than usual, when it is pretty widely accepted by Christian's across the nation in some form or another. I am not a young Earth creationist, though.

I'm a liberal Baptist (though I am thinking of joining the United Church of Christ despite their liberal theological views since the Baptist Church I attend in an hour and a half away). My views are very similar to JBrase's, actually.

Well, I know it's not a fringe position, especially among Baptists, though it is a view I would characterize as being more fundamentalist than conservative.  That's not to say you can't be a creationist and still have moderate or liberal views on theology and social issues, of course.

As a UCCer myself, I would certainly never recommend against it to anyone, but you should know that it is probably the most liberal out of all the Protestant denominations, perhaps second only to the Unitarian Universalists (which is not an inherently Christian church, even).  The UCC doesn't really endorse an evolutionist or a creationist view of the universe, but its understanding of how the Gospel can be interpreted is very different from that of many other churches.  It's also unabashedly active in the political scene (at least the national church is) and pro-gay rights, which I know you are as well.  I guess I would characterize it as big tent on theological issues, progressive on political ones.  (Of course, it's more apt to endorse specific causes rather than political parties... which I think is the way to go.)

Sorry for going on a tangent there.  Those are just things you should keep in mind if you want to join the UCC, which I've been with for quite some time now. Smiley

EDIT: Ah, BRTD has a point.  The Disciples of Christ are basically "theologically progressive Baptists," as one of my pastors once put it.  You would fit in there, too.
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2014, 08:33:30 PM »

I know it's a basic principle of Protestant theology and so would figure pretty heavily into fundamentalist beliefs.  But, taking all of scripture into account, works seem pretty important.  On top of that, even though I'm no longer Catholic, I guess I was just never on board with the faith alone is sufficient for salvation idea, or the notion that faith automatically leads one to do good works.  All that said, I don't really have anything at stake in the debate anymore.  But some might be interested to know that I actually answered the question about doing things only for oneself and being obedient to God with the second option.  It's one of those artificially either-or question.  But, for as little as I believe in God, I believe in doing things only for oneself even less.

It's a common misunderstanding that Protestant theology downplays the importance of good works, but that really isn't the point.  Sola fide merely teaches that Christians are justified by faith in Jesus' work on the cross and not by our own merits.  This doesn't necessarily suggest that all who believe automatically do good or that all who don't believe cannot do good, even though that's the vibe you'll often get from fundamentalists.  (Strict Protestants, mainly conservative Calvinists, don't even believe in the concept of "good" works because any value in what "good" we do is tainted by the effects of original sin.)  There are definitely Protestants who approach it that way, but I certainly don't consider it a mainstream understanding of the doctrine, all biases aside.

By the way, anvi, don't take this the wrong way, but didn't you once say you had a degree in philosophy or religion at some point?  I am also a little surprised that this is new to you.
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