UK General Discussion: 2017 and onwards, Mayhem

[GoTfan]

Has anyone heard The Sun and Daily Telegraph claim that Corbyn was a Communist spy?

[GoTfan]

Has anyone heard The Sun and Daily Telegraph claim that Corbyn was a Communist spy?

Yes it's bullsh**t. The allegations aren't even that he's a spy but rather a source from the 1980s... as if had anything to offer in 1984. It's no different to the CIA/MI6 talking to some random dissidents in the USSR or Eastern bloc.

Everyone knows Corbyn dislikes UK foreign policy so this is easy to brush off.

The fact that on Monday the Tories are set to cut student fees really shows the impact JC has had; Tories have given up the economic argument

I thought it was bollocks. Just wanted confirmation from a UK citizen.

[GoTfan]

If anybody wants to ever amuse themselves, type "UKIP councillor" into Google News. They've lost their 17 strong branch in Thurrock, they've spectacularly cocked up Thanet and seem to be in a state of collapse in every the councils covering every other target seat they had.

I've been saying it for years; UKIP is a single-issue party. What are they other than anti-Europe? Just radical Tories, essentially.

[GoTfan]

The protests today are inspiring, and it's good to see the pushback start in force before it's too late.

So because I support Corbyn, I'm anti-Semitic?

[GoTfan]

The protests today are inspiring, and it's good to see the pushback start in force before it's too late.

So because I support Corbyn, I'm anti-Semitic?

My post said nothing of the sort. But since you asked, at this point, you're either anti-semitic or you don't care that you want to elect an anti-semitic leader.

Ah, black and white morality. That went off without a hitch in the 1190s.

[GoTfan]

sigh this is truly depressing ;/

Which newspaper is this from exactly?

[GoTfan]

Anyway, Jewdas are an anarchist collective with a very strong penchant for caustic satire. Perhaps accepting the invite was not the greatest PR move under the circumstances given that they (obviously!) have less than great relations with the more consciously respectable institutions/organisations of British Jewry (see the quotes above), but this is very far from the GOTCHA story the media seemed to be assuming last night: Jewish antisemitism is a thing that exists, but this group is really not an example of that phenomenon, whatever you think of consciously provocative anarchist collectives.

Agree. It's bad timing and judgment from someone who should know better by now.

It's worth mentioning that they were also calling for Ken Livingstone to be expelled.

[GoTfan]

OK, I'll say it: Corbyn has to go.

Because the media is after him for thinking that Palestinians should have rights?

No, because he's an open, unrepentant, and increasingly extreme anti-semite who poses a clear and present danger to every last Jewish person in the UK.

Good thing no one listens to you.

[GoTfan]

I think this sums up the entire Brexit debate succintly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJzW_gFoXR0

[GoTfan]

How stupid is the DUP? Don't they realize that there is an obvious positive correlation between the hardness of Brexit and the likelihood of a united Ireland?

The DUP seems to be willing to gamble that continuing in the UK would win a border poll immediately after a no-deal Brexit notwithstanding what the polls say. Which, honestly, I think is probably right - in the context of an imminent referendum on Irish unification, Protestant Ulster identity would reassert itself, and Prots are still a majority in NI (for now). The DUP may even hope that a hard Brexit results in some Catholics moving to the Republic of Ireland, postponing the Catholic majority further.

Wait, postpone and not halt?

[GoTfan]

Best PM is highly subjective .  . . I would say Attlee,  mainly because he was not only responsible for rebuilding Britain and created the NHS, but also because as the Second World War dragged on and Churchill became (out of necessity) more absorbed with foreign affairs and the conduct of the War, while Attlee increasingly took on the role of keeping the lights on in Britain.

Like I said, it's a subjective topic, and one that our own biases easily influence. That said, we can still show respect for the departed regardless of our affiliation.

[GoTfan]

Great.

There goes any chance of a left wing Labour Party.

[GoTfan]

Given the hard left hounded them out you'd think Corbynites would be happier.

They're not taking any sort of principled stand by leaving. They're doing it for publiciity, because the public are idiots and love people who 'heroically fall on their sword'.

I suppose congratulations are in order to the Blairites. They've successfully undermined Labour's first left-wing leader in years by painting him as some sort of left-wing Hitler (despite the fact he was elected leader both times with over 50% of the vote).

[GoTfan]

They've successfully undermined Labour's first left-wing leader in years by painting him as some sort of left-wing Hitler (despite the fact he was elected leader both times with over 50% of the vote).

These are not mutually exclusive statements.

Oh so he was elected leader twice because he was some sort of left-wing Hitler?

[GoTfan]

Given the hard left hounded them out you'd think Corbynites would be happier.

They're not taking any sort of principled stand by leaving. They're doing it for publiciity, because the public are idiots and love people who 'heroically fall on their sword'.

I suppose congratulations are in order to the Blairites. They've successfully undermined Labour's first left-wing leader in years by painting him as some sort of left-wing Hitler (despite the fact he was elected leader both times with over 50% of the vote).

Well, if you want a more pure Labour Party, shouldn't all the Blairites leave, and then get all the votes from more Blairite-minded voters when elections come around?

Not the point.

Corbyn was twice elected leader. Once over four other candidates. Once when he faced a cabinet revolt. Both times with a huge mandate.

[GoTfan]

Given the hard left hounded them out you'd think Corbynites would be happier.

They're not taking any sort of principled stand by leaving. They're doing it for publiciity, because the public are idiots and love people who 'heroically fall on their sword'.

I suppose congratulations are in order to the Blairites. They've successfully undermined Labour's first left-wing leader in years by painting him as some sort of left-wing Hitler (despite the fact he was elected leader both times with over 50% of the vote).

Well, if you want a more pure Labour Party, shouldn't all the Blairites leave, and then get all the votes from more Blairite-minded voters when elections come around?

Not the point.

Corbyn was twice elected leader. Once over four other candidates. Once when he faced a cabinet revolt. Both times with a huge mandate.

You know who else got a huge democratic mandate...?

Ah, so now you are openly comparing him to Adolf Hitler.

Nice. Never thought someone would actually be capable of sinking that low.

[GoTfan]

So how much of this is due to anti-semitism in Labour

I'd be genuinely suprised if any of it was.

It seems to be a combination of brexit and people wanting attention.

[GoTfan]

Given the hard left hounded them out you'd think Corbynites would be happier.

They're not taking any sort of principled stand by leaving. They're doing it for publiciity, because the public are idiots and love people who 'heroically fall on their sword'.

I suppose congratulations are in order to the Blairites. They've successfully undermined Labour's first left-wing leader in years by painting him as some sort of left-wing Hitler (despite the fact he was elected leader both times with over 50% of the vote).

Well, if you want a more pure Labour Party, shouldn't all the Blairites leave, and then get all the votes from more Blairite-minded voters when elections come around?

Not the point.

Corbyn was twice elected leader. Once over four other candidates. Once when he faced a cabinet revolt. Both times with a huge mandate.

You know who else got a huge democratic mandate...?

Ah, so now you are openly comparing him to Adolf Hitler.

Nice. Never thought someone would actually be capable of sinking that low.

Since you aren't British you won't have gotten that line was a reference to Ken Livingston's rants about Hitler.  Nice attempt to turn the tables though, but it won't work.

No i'm not attempting to compare him to Hitler, is isn't that capable for a start.

The point was you clearly weren't getting that simply being democratically elected isn't logically a defence from being an anti-semitic nutjob.

Except from what I've seen, Corbyn is not personally anti-semitic. Could he have done more? Absolutely. Did he do too little? Absolutely. 

The point is, this is not helping the image of those who resigned. There will be a hell of a lot of people who see it as little more than an attempt at grabbing headlines.

[GoTfan]

So how much of this is due to anti-semitism in Labour

I'd be genuinely suprised if any of it was.

It seems to be a combination of brexit and people wanting attention.

Yeah, can't imagine why a female Jewish MP who has been mercilessly racially abused by Corbynites would want to leave the party.

Don't kid yourself. This is no principled stand. It's a publicity grab, pure and simple.