Temporary Headquarters of the Labor Party (Leadership election)

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Who will take on the role of Chair? And who should we nominate for President?

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Thoughts on a union with another progressive party to at least make avoid open inter-left infighting for the presidential race and broaden our support?

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Given my stand against dual office-holding I don't plan on running for Chair if I'm on the presidential ticket. I'm not sure whether I'm running, and if I don't run for President I may take on the role of Chair to help the eventual ticket and try to stop fhtagn.

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Or...you could support the rapidly forming Alliance ticket

I could but I won't because it's not the best ticket for Atlasia.

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My statement on the potential Lumine run.

I agree with many of Lumine's points about the deterioration of the game but I don't think he has the vision or agenda to be the best for Atlasia. Atlasia needs a strong progressive ticket that will take us into the future and Lumine seems too centrist for me to believe he's the one to do that. I also urge that Labor doesn't give Lumine second place like last time, and that was a mistake for Labor and Atlasia.

As I said, Labor must not capitulate last time. Harry S Truman was unfairly and pointlessly betrayed. This time we should learn from that mistake and stand for what we believe in rather than settling even before a runoff on just 'not fhtagn'. Lumine is not what Atlasia needs. Labor is. Let's win this election.*

*With whatever ticket we ultimately run.

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try to stop fhtagn.

lol this #resist stuff is so cringy

We don't think Fhtagn should be President this is hardly news.

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I don't know what the field will be. I'm still dedicated to serving in the Senate and if there's a fine candidate on the left then I might continue in the Senate.

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Where's the party chat?

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I've decided to join the PUP, and it looks like I'll be their nominee. This is the best way to get the Progressive alternative and presidency Atlasia needs. I think the ideal outcome will be a unification of both parties continuing the best of both and taking Atlasia into the future. Yet, while our parties are in flux, the principles and policies I stand for and will fight for remain the same. They will never change. That is why all Labor voters should vote for me, as I am the strongest alternative to the Federalists(I have never list an election) and I share your values and priorities and will make them a reality. I look forward to the coming contest-let's go win this election.

[Pericles]

And you read all your letters from Oceans away
and you took them to the bottom of the sea

It wasn't an easy decision no but I'm confident it's the right one.

[Pericles]

And you read all your letters from Oceans away
and you took them to the bottom of the sea

It wasn't an easy decision no but I'm confident it's the right one.

That's actually a call back to the post I made when the first iteration of TPP dissolved in March 2013.


I think that at any point Labor could have been saved. It is no harder to save Labor than it is to create a new party from scratch. I have twice proved the correctness of this, both with the RPP in early 2010 and the Feds in early 2015.

It takes probably at least 3 people willing to commit to the effort and one of whom who is afire with the passion to see it happen.

I really did want to do that. I looked into it and tried to negotiate another arrangement with the PUP. However ultimately I'd prefer to actually have a strong chance rather than let my desire to save Labor harm the progressive cause. If it could've been saved it would have, but ultimately it's for the best now. However the policies and agenda will live on and Labor voters will have a good home with my candidacy.

[Pericles]

I hope Labor agrees to endorse my candidacy. We can't have petty infighting when the stakes are so high and our goals are the same.

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I hope Labor agrees to endorse my candidacy. We can't have petty infighting when the stakes are so high and our goals are the same.

If I become leader of the Labor Party, I will have it endorse you.

Glad to receive your endorsement. Thank you.

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I also ask for the endorsement of the Labor Party in the upcoming Fremont Senate election.

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No offense, Yankee, but this continued, relentless demonization of dissolution or merging of parties doesn't seem all that healthy for the game considering that there are substantial benefits to the party system changing. Of course there have been several dissolutions that may have been a mistake, but that is not to say all of them have been (although for the record I would agree with you that dissolution of Labor will probably not be for the best).

Having said that, I think Atlasia works better when there's a multi-party system instead of just two big parties (one of which is generally a dominant one), so in this case I would note my concern that a Federalist v. PUP era features a repeat of the long Federalist v. Labor era.

For the first part, the most important priority is freedom of choice more so than good for the game. The idea that these two could be at odds, is ridiculous. Having people in parties of their own choice is the most healthy situation for the game possible.

And guess what, three times I was the only one arguing for a preservation of the multi-party system, precisely because I opposed the dissolution of the third and fourth party. I wanted the original PU to continue, the DRs to continue the DA to continue, the UDL to continue, TPP to continue etc. Part of the reason why we default to two parties is 1) the right doesn't like to get steam rolled by the center-left (Oct 2012), 2) the left gets spooked every time an evil Conservative wins (Feb 2011 when Tmth won the Presidency) and three, the typically smaller centrist parties run out of steam but rather than preserve the tradition and plot a revival, they always dissolve. You cannot fix a problem caused by such artificial alterations with more such artificial alterations of the partisan landscape. The political landscape is an organic phenomenon created by freely expressed political views, freely associated with one another. The sooner people stop trying to artificially re-engineer it to their liking through these heavy handed and thuggish tactics, the sooner the political landscape of the game will strengthen and improve long term.

The Federalist Party continues to exist because we are great at adapting to the changing climate and at representing our members at any given time (Check the polling data I leaked in the Trillionth Fed Party thread).

Trust me, as long as I am at the helm of Alliance, I will do everything in my power to prevent this from happening.

Rest assured, I will also vehemently oppose any attempt to merge the Alliance with PUP should that scenario arise.