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EnglishPete
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« on: March 21, 2017, 09:38:14 AM »

I voted no, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.  My feeling from the beginning has been that the Trump campaign was too incompetent to successfully carry out such a covert operation without promptly getting caught.

If the Trump campaign did indeed carry out such a 'covert operation' and promptly get caught then why has no one produced any such evidence or even claimed that such evidence exists? On the contrary Comey and others have repeatedly said that they are not aware of any such evidence of collusion.

So if the Trump campaign is so inept as to not be able to carry out such a covert operation without being caught

and given that there is no indication that they have been caught in this way

wouldn't that suggest that no such 'covert operation' ever happened in the first place.
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2017, 11:12:31 AM »

Not being aware of any evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There is every chance it will turn up, especially if someone rolls over on the others to save their own skins.
There's all kind of things that no one is aware of evidence for. To say that 'there is every chance it will turn up' suggests that there is good reasons for thinking that such evidence exists. Given that the Dems have been pushing this 'Trump collaborated with the Russians' fabricated narrative for months and that not only has no proof of this turned up, no evidence for it has turned up either.

What has happened is that there have been leaks of various bits of intelligence, such as the report of Flynn-Russian Ambassador conversation, that appear to back up this narrative when taken out of context. Who might have made these leaks, obviously designed to look as though they backed up the Democrats fabricated narrative? Well possible answers to that question was provided by Trey Gowdy's questioning of Comey on the question of who could have had access to that data. It was established that

James Clapper
James Brennon
Susan Rice
Loretta Lynch
Sally Yates
Barak Obama

would all have likely had such access.

Like the farce over the recounts and the electoral college I think this will be another case of Wile E Coyote Democrats trying to hit Road Runner Trump and getting hit with their own Acme rocket.
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2017, 11:50:32 AM »

I voted no, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.  My feeling from the beginning has been that the Trump campaign was too incompetent to successfully carry out such a covert operation without promptly getting caught.

If the Trump campaign did indeed carry out such a 'covert operation' and promptly get caught then why has no one produced any such evidence or even claimed that such evidence exists? On the contrary Comey and others have repeatedly said that they are not aware of any such evidence of collusion.

So if the Trump campaign is so inept as to not be able to carry out such a covert operation without being caught

and given that there is no indication that they have been caught in this way

wouldn't that suggest that no such 'covert operation' ever happened in the first place.

I believe I implied that I don't think they colluded with the Russians.  There should still be an investigation, but at this point, I don't know if there's any reason to believe the connection is there.

That said, I believed the same thing about Hillary Clinton's FBI investigation.  Hysteria in these circumstances is always the wrong thing to do, whether on the left or right.


Misunderstood your point there. My mistake.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2017, 06:32:00 PM »

Who might have made these leaks, obviously designed to look as though they backed up the Democrats fabricated narrative? Well possible answers to that question was provided by Trey Gowdy's questioning of Comey on the question of who could have had access to that data. It was established that

James Clapper
James Brennon
Susan Rice
Loretta Lynch
Sally Yates
Barak Obama

would all have likely had such access.

Like the farce over the recounts and the electoral college I think this will be another case of Wile E Coyote Democrats trying to hit Road Runner Trump and getting hit with their own Acme rocket.

Unconfirmed report about one of the above names ordering the 'unmasking', lets see if we hear any confirmation.
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2017, 06:53:09 PM »

Now it's being reported that the FBI is investigating aid in the hacking itself by the Trump team. This could get really ugly
Any sign that they've found any evidence yet for this Trump/Russia/hacking conspiracy theory?
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2017, 02:45:17 AM »

Frankly, the outcome of this FBI investigation could also be that the administration is cleared in the end.

At this point, if he wants to ever be an effective President (doubtful), Trump needs the FBI investigation to clear him, so that he can move past Russiagate.  That he and his supporters are not confident that an investigation (by the man who more than any other individual handed Trump the Presidency, no less) will clear Trump says volumes. His followers think he's guilty (not that they'll admit it), and he and his cronies obviously have things they want to keep hidden.

Trump's clumsy, desperate-looking pushback and maneuvering against the Congressional and DoJ investigations is what convinces me that he is guilty, more than anything else.

Firstly its not the job of the FBI to 'clear' people. Their job is to investigate and the most they can do is declare that they have found no evidence against someone. They've already said they have no evidence so far against Trump and his team and it hasn't stopped the Dem witch hunt.

Secondly if you think that the behaviour of Trump and his supporters is that of people who know he's guilty and are worried about being found out then please explain how their behaviour differs from people who think that the Dems and their allies in the deep state are working to get him out of office by framing him for something that he's not guilty of?
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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2017, 02:47:59 AM »

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