Sexual Orientation Determined by Genes

[Palefire]

So we have biologists telling us its probably genetic, phsychologics telling us it is NOT mental what do the homophobes do now?

Call you names and ignore what you say would be my bet. These are folks that need somewhere to vent their hate, they don't want to learn; they want to hate. They want somebody to kick. I don't know why you bother talking to bunch of extremists about this topic.

[Palefire]

So we have biologists telling us its probably genetic, phsychologics telling us it is NOT mental what do the homophobes do now?

Call you names and ignore what you say would be my bet. These are folks that need somewhere to vent their hate, they don't want to learn; they want to hate. They want somebody to kick. I don't know why you bother talking to bunch of extremists about this topic.

*Yawn* Please quit trolling.

After reading some of the inane comments on this thread, many of which were written with no other purpose than to offend (including from you - by the way, how does one post "I just love pissing off liberals" and "please quit trolling" in the same thread?), that last post of mine was just a piece of heart felt advice for the young man.

[Palefire]

Being a curmudgeon, I would have put it a little different Joe, but fair enough.

[Palefire]

It's the equivalent of asking, "If there is a God, why aren't all people perfect?" It's a logical fallacy, because the former would not require the latter.

No it's not the equivalent, because I know that isn't true.  What I was asking (and I'll incorporate your question into this), is why God puts the genetic structures in place that will eventually cause people to become either homosexual or a violent criminal.

(My apologies for putting two completely separate demographics in the same boat.)

Why did God make people different? Why are some smarter than others? Why are some more understanding than others? Why are some less caring than others? I know you don't care Joe (and frankly, I hold nothing against you for that, and understand your point of view (or at least I think I do); even if I care).

If one has faith that God is responsible for the creation of a universe that is beyond our understanding, it forces a person to step back and ask questions about the limits of our understanding. Most folks want to assume that their understanding is equal to that of God it would seem; that God is some how limited by their understanding of things. I don't get it. I guess that folks just want to believe in something larger than them so much; but at the same time can not accept what something so much larger than them really means.

With all the hypocrisy surrounding the Christian faith and the concept of an illogical leap of faith, I can understand how many are put off by it. Seeing Christians use their beliefs to belittle others and cast judgments (which, if I'm not mistaken, the Christian faith teaches us not to do) must repel many, which is a disgrace to the faith as I see it. It would seem that so many believe that their ability to pull the wool over other peoples eyes in terms of their faith some how translates into an ability to pull the wool over Gods eyes. If people truly believed that Jesus was the son of God they would bother to understand and live by his teachings a little better. Otherwise one would have to assume that those people believed he was a fraud, it would be my assumption that God could figure that out. But his teachings are not that convenient to many, and as such we get many folks that look to be self righteous by pointing out the failings in others; failings that they themselves would never come close to, to begin with due to their life style. Pulling the wool over Gods eyes is something that I would imagine can not be done, much less that easily. People that try; really need to reconsider their motivations and study the words of his son a little better.

Sorry for the sanctimonious rant - it certainly was not directed at you Joe, again - I don't pretand to be in a place were I can cast judgment on those that have no faith, because there are so many that pretend to have faith; logic makes your decisions almost compulsory. It only takes a minor understanding of the words of Jesus to understand the one can not worship both money and God; and this country is filled with money worshipers that place their economic position above all else in their lives, yet pretend they place God above all else.

[Palefire]

I appreciate your response Palefire, but it doesn't really answer my question.

If anybody else wants to try, it's; "Why does God put the genetic structures in place that will eventually cause people to become either homosexual or a violent criminal?"

You're not going to get an answer better than "I guess". I don't know what the answer is, and I don't even have a good guess. If one can accept that their God is beyond their understanding in many ways, then it's not to hard to accept that issues like this are beyond their understanding.

[Palefire]

Actually it is NOT against the Christian religion to cast judgement. The WHOLE quote goes like this, "Judge not lest ye be judged; for the manner in which you judge you shall be judged also." In other words the bible is teaching against harsh judgements and it doesn't say not to make any judgements at all. I don't know where some "Christians" get the silly idea that they must accept the actions of all people and say they do out of "tolerance". Christians should never tolerate sin, ever. Now if a sinner comes to the church seeking God and then wants to change his ways that's one thing and is perfectly acceptable. But if a person expects to be accepted into the church as a sinner and allowed to KEEP sinning then that is wrong. I would have no problem with a homosexual joining the church as long as they were to quit their sinful way of living. But I would not accept them as true Christians if they kept living in their filth and sin.

I didn't bring up tolerance, so I'm not quite sure why I got the standard right wing response for why it's ok for people to be intolerant. But, since we are on that topic; it is possible to be intolerant without being hateful - that's a concept that seems to elude most folks. I think that is because they are so eager to prove that they are righteous and so badly want others to think that they are righteous that they try an express their intolerance as loudly as possible and in terms people that they want acceptance from will understand. Inevitably, it becomes a contest to see who can be more intolerant. And that goes back to my comments about pulling the wool over peoples eyes, etc., etc., etc.

[Palefire]

Actually it is NOT against the Christian religion to cast judgement. The WHOLE quote goes like this, "Judge not lest ye be judged; for the manner in which you judge you shall be judged also." In other words the bible is teaching against harsh judgements and it doesn't say not to make any judgements at all. I don't know where some "Christians" get the silly idea that they must accept the actions of all people and say they do out of "tolerance". Christians should never tolerate sin, ever. Now if a sinner comes to the church seeking God and then wants to change his ways that's one thing and is perfectly acceptable. But if a person expects to be accepted into the church as a sinner and allowed to KEEP sinning then that is wrong. I would have no problem with a homosexual joining the church as long as they were to quit their sinful way of living. But I would not accept them as true Christians if they kept living in their filth and sin.

I didn't bring up tolerance, so I'm not quite sure why I got the standard right wing response for why it's ok for people to be intolerant. But, since we are on that topic; it is possible to be intolerant without being hateful - that's a concept that seems to elude most folks. I think that is because they are so eager to prove that they are righteous and so badly want others to think that they are righteous that they try an express their intolerance as loudly as possible and in terms people that they want acceptance from will understand. Inevitably, it becomes a contest to see who can be more intolerant. And that goes back to my comments about pulling the wool over peoples eyes, etc., etc., etc.

That is the biblical response I gave. If you want to be a religious bigot then whatever. The answer I gave is what a good Christian believes whether you like that fact or not.

Hmmmm, so noting that intolerance and hate are 2 different things can be added to States rather long list of things that define a religious bigot.

But let me ask you States, when you said "I would have no problem with a homosexual joining the church as long as they were to quit their sinful way of living. But I would not accept them as true Christians if they kept living in their filth and sin.” what are you trying to imply about yourself? That you are free from sin? I would caution you against such a view. I would also caution you against your rather liberal use of the words "good Christian".

[Palefire]

Ah, I see, it's all about helping people to you. I never would have guessed that. Interesting. Most interesting.