Neil Gorsuch Confirmation Process Discussion (confirmed 54-45)

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i would agree with J if this wouldn't just lead to a filibust-breaker and make the barn door open for the next court-changing conservative candidate.

What makes you think Mcconell will will be any more respectful of the filibuster if it is used in the future as opposed to now?

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Trump wins again!

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The deal Democrats would be most likely to pursue, the sources said, would be to allow confirmation of Gorsuch in exchange for a commitment from Republicans not to kill the filibuster for a subsequent vacancy during President Donald Trump’s term.

This is just an excuse to cave.

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This is just an excuse to cave.

it's the best imaginable deal right now.

Tell me, what incentive does there exist for McConnell to not rip up the agreement next time an empty supreme court seat needs to be filled? Will Gorsuch promise to resign if the deal is broken?

Exactly, deal this will only lead to humiliation for the Democrats when the betrayal inevitably comes.

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Tell me, what incentive does there exist for McConnell to not rip up the agreement next time an empty supreme court seat needs to be filled?

he is an old-school-guy who likes the filibuster and i guess would hate to be forced by the lunatic wing of the GOP to push some madman through just cause they can.

besides....there is NOTHING the democrats could have got...literally NOTHING.

Have you forgotten how Orrin Hatch showered Garland with praise only to fall behind party lines when convenient, one of the most ardent institutionalists in the senate?
 

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if even manchin is not totally behind him, dems must feel pretty good about this.

About what?

about the fact that even a totally useless filibuster wouldn't lose manchin even one vote.

Yeah, he would only lose by 10 points, not like Hilly with 40. Congrats!

Did republicans pay a big price for the government shutdown? Did they pay a price for the garland blockade? Please stop pretending the average person cares about procedure.

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lindsey graham vows to oppose any effort to blow up the filibsuter-Huffpost

It only took 4 months!

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I've read some rumblings that the Republicans don't have the votes for the nuclear option.

Where?

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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/neil-gorsuch-supreme-court-236604

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1. McCaskill will be gone in 2018. The GOP is moving closer and closer to a long-term Senate majority.

I agree that she is probably gone, but the truth is most voters simply don't care about the judiciary, no mater what they claim.

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/190091/support-garland-average-supreme-court-nominees.aspx

BTW, has anybody else noticed the deluge of concern trolls begging Democrats not to go through with this?

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NEWS: MCCAIN tells @LauraLitvan he's giving up on idea of a deal to forestall nuclear option
https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/849006254743834625

The title of his article is so telling though. "Democrats Choose Path on Gorsuch That Could Change Washington"

What is it with the media making it look like Dems are the ones taking some radical step, last time I checked it was McConnell's choice.

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so it is pretty clear Democrats should take a stand here against Trump, the GOP, and their theft of this Senate seat.

Lol. So the rules say whichever party controls the presidency at the exact moment a vacancy arises owns that seat forever? Because i will never understand this "they stole it, so we have to steal it back, but somehow when we do it its not stealing" argument.

i could have lived with republicans rejecting half a dozen judges, until we got someone who finally was good enough or moderate enough or neutral on abortion or 80 years old or whatever, but just being able to reject hearings is mindblowing, imho.

Agreed. And the democrats were right then to complain. Now theyve taken what moral high ground they had, shat all over it, and still keep complaining about how stinky the republicans were a year ago.

Next time don't steal Supreme Court seats and maybe we won't have this problem.

I dont need to poke holes in your argument because repeating this "stolen seat " garbage betrays your lack of understanding and objectivity, but what the hell.

This overall argument is equivalent to a toddler justifying the pulling of his playmate's hair because "she should have shared if she didnt want it pulled." Right and wrong dont just disappear if someone else did something first. That is nor how logic works.

You guys made your bed and now you'll have to sleep in it.  Enjoy  Oh and spare me the hypocritical moralizing, I think I speak for most Democrats when I say you're wasting your breath.  I literally have no interest in seeing that seat filled by anyone regardless of their qualifications or objectivity until we have a Democratic President.

AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO DEESCALATE.

Easier said than done.

I believe America is going to have to go through some sort of major crisis that leads to a watershed moment where politicians put aside partisan politics and begin to work together/compromise.

I kind of disagree, compromise can only happen once one party emerges victorious, forcing the other party to recognize it is the minority and compromise to remain viable. As we are now both parties are of relatively equal strength, with the Democrats winning The popular vote in six out the last seven presidential elections, but Republicans are more represented due to their support in rural areas and less populated states. Having two parties of equal legitimacy is not at all ideal, or the historical norm, and the longer we are stuck in this murky impasse the more destabilized the United States shall become. Hopefully something breaks the impasse soon.

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Wonderful news! Hopefully Democrats obstruct so much that the legislative filibuster is weakened into a talking filibuster by 2020.