Palestine college student protest megathread

[Dr. MB]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/19/columbia-student-arrests-israel-hamas-war-free-speech-00153361

Good to see someone sane speaking out when so much of the narrative is being misconstrued!

[Dr. MB]

Those latest New York polls showing Biden ahead by only 10 might actually be true

Chronic bag fumblers (the NY Democratic Party) getting what they wished for

[Dr. MB]

Revealing.

I live in Capitol Hill only a few blocks away from CHAZ.  This is a 100% accurate description of what it was.  You can find my posts on the subject at the time to confirm it (although knowing you, you probably already have most of my posts bookmarked).

We've glorified the hippies and student protest movements of the 60s so much that everyone 18-25 longs to recreate them.  They all want to get together and make a political statement for peace and love and harmony and justice and equity.  But they don't really want to do anything more than chant some slogans and do some marches, and they don't want to have to spend time actually learning about the subject.

So you just offer them a little street party for the cause, and say, hey come get drunk/high and laze about all day with your buddies, listen to some live music and feel the energy of a place where things are happening, maybe wear a little costume and take some photos of yourself looking like a civil rights leader, join in some chants when we tell you, and you'll get to tell your grandchildren you were part of the grand social justice movement of 2024.  That's like catnip.

If you were in 1968 would you have been much of a fan of student protests either?

[Dr. MB]

Revealing.

I live in Capitol Hill only a few blocks away from CHAZ.  This is a 100% accurate description of what it was.  You can find my posts on the subject at the time to confirm it (although knowing you, you probably already have most of my posts bookmarked).

We've glorified the hippies and student protest movements of the 60s so much that everyone 18-25 longs to recreate them.  They all want to get together and make a political statement for peace and love and harmony and justice and equity.  But they don't really want to do anything more than chant some slogans and do some marches, and they don't want to have to spend time actually learning about the subject.

So you just offer them a little street party for the cause, and say, hey come get drunk/high and laze about all day with your buddies, listen to some live music and feel the energy of a place where things are happening, maybe wear a little costume and take some photos of yourself looking like a civil rights leader, join in some chants when we tell you, and you'll get to tell your grandchildren you were part of the grand social justice movement of 2024.  That's like catnip.

If you were in 1968 would you have been much of a fan of student protests either?

Student Protests were not entirely a good thing. There were student protesters protesting desegregation in the American South in the 1950s and 60s.

Protesting in favor of the current system rather than in favor of changing it. Big difference.

[Dr. MB]

Revealing.

I live in Capitol Hill only a few blocks away from CHAZ.  This is a 100% accurate description of what it was.  You can find my posts on the subject at the time to confirm it (although knowing you, you probably already have most of my posts bookmarked).

We've glorified the hippies and student protest movements of the 60s so much that everyone 18-25 longs to recreate them.  They all want to get together and make a political statement for peace and love and harmony and justice and equity.  But they don't really want to do anything more than chant some slogans and do some marches, and they don't want to have to spend time actually learning about the subject.

So you just offer them a little street party for the cause, and say, hey come get drunk/high and laze about all day with your buddies, listen to some live music and feel the energy of a place where things are happening, maybe wear a little costume and take some photos of yourself looking like a civil rights leader, join in some chants when we tell you, and you'll get to tell your grandchildren you were part of the grand social justice movement of 2024.  That's like catnip.

If you were in 1968 would you have been much of a fan of student protests either?

Student Protests were not entirely a good thing. There were student protesters protesting desegregation in the American South in the 1950s and 60s.

Protesting in favor of the current system rather than in favor of changing it. Big difference.

BUT, constantly protesting to change the system, while being the benficieries of that very same system, is very hypocritical and it has a bit of a dissonance, don't you think ?






if these protesters get arrested, guess who's going to bail them out ? Probably their affluent parents, who probably work in the very same System, that they claim to hate. And once these guys graduate, and start getting jobs, they will probably have access to, and work in the very same system they claim to hate.

In 20 something odd years, we will probably see these guys getting cushy jobs at Wall Street, Big Tech,




The moment their parents cut off their credit cards, funding, I bet my 5 cents, we will never see these kids protesting again.

You want to bet ?

And Engels was the son of a factory owner. Some of the most committed revolutionaries have come from affluent backgrounds. No different with the 1960s.

[Dr. MB]

I can't stress enough just how much >90% of employed people despise protests like this. The left has completely failed to appeal to working people and there seems to be no interest in fixing that.

These people aren't the left. These are extremist loons who have more in common with Alex Jones and David Duke than with any mainstream Democrat.

you're in Greece what do you know about American student organizing

[Dr. MB]

This is Fuzzy "condemn the Grand Mufti" stuff. Most of the posters who are pro-Palestinian have condemned Hamas. We condemn Hamas. We shouldn't need to say it 500 times. After a certain point, it's a strawman if people still pretend you haven't condemned Hamas.

great you condemn Hamas, and you want to dictate how the immediate victims of the condemned Hamas react to Hamas, but where are the solutions to Hamas?  Like I've been saying for years, a third party needs to go in there and do what needs to be done, but they won't because they know they will face the exact same problems the IDF faces and they don't want to be called the things people call the IDF.

why would you dictate how the immediate victims of the IDF react to the IDF?

[Dr. MB]

I can't stress enough just how much >90% of employed people despise protests like this. The left has completely failed to appeal to working people and there seems to be no interest in fixing that.

These people aren't the left. These are extremist loons who have more in common with Alex Jones and David Duke than with any mainstream Democrat.

you're in Greece what do you know about American student organizing

Because we have plenty of the same kind of morons here.

And I can tell you from a personal standpoint that while I can't speak for everyone, many people involved are very committed to a socialist society and socialist politics.

[Dr. MB]

This is Fuzzy "condemn the Grand Mufti" stuff. Most of the posters who are pro-Palestinian have condemned Hamas. We condemn Hamas. We shouldn't need to say it 500 times. After a certain point, it's a strawman if people still pretend you haven't condemned Hamas.

great you condemn Hamas, and you want to dictate how the immediate victims of the condemned Hamas react to Hamas, but where are the solutions to Hamas?  Like I've been saying for years, a third party needs to go in there and do what needs to be done, but they won't because they know they will face the exact same problems the IDF faces and they don't want to be called the things people call the IDF.

why would you dictate how the immediate victims of the IDF react to the IDF?

I don't understand the question.

Would you justify it if Gazans bombed half of Israel to the ground as retaliation for what the IDF did to them?

[Dr. MB]

How American to kick out people cause you don’t like what they’re saying

We don't let people into the country because we don't like what they're saying.  This includes proven Nazis, Communists,  Jihadic Terrorists, and many others.  And we don't allow their supporters in either.

Hamas is Jihadist Terrorism.  We would not allow pro-Hamas persons into the US if they weren't here.  Why should we allow people who actively support Jihadist Terrorism to remain in the country when they are not citizens, and especially if they are only here on a temporary visa?

When people who are not citizens and are here on a temporary Visa should "Death to America" or declare an Intifada on America, it's time for them to go.  We are under no obligation to assist in our own destruction as a nation.  We have enough nutty citizens.  We don't have to accommodate nutty foreigners, particularly when they wish our destruction and support a terrorist organization.

The United States is the most welcoming country for free speech. Why should the first amendment not apply to foreign nationals?