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« on: October 07, 2012, 05:29:59 PM »
« edited: October 07, 2012, 05:34:14 PM by Politico »

Romney is the greatest champion of free market economics since Reagan. All of his positions on social issues are conservative, but he is tolerant of others and moderate in his temperament.

There is a reason why Republicans are fired up like never before, and it is not because "Romney is a moderate again." They are fired up because Romney has done something nobody has done since Reagan: He has convincingly shown a strong majority of the country that common-sense conservative principles are the path to prosperity.

Bottomline: You were simply duped into believing the Romney caricature that Obama has spent months building up. It was merely a figment of Democrats' wild imaginations.

BTW, it would take 17 years for 114,000 jobs per month to produce 23 million jobs. If millions had not given up hope over the last four years, unemployment would be 11% today. But, by all means, please feel free to return to your regularly scheduled programming of 21st Century Nero fiddling with a teleprompter while America burns...
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2012, 05:36:19 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2012, 05:47:01 PM by Politico »

It sure felt like he was trying to out-moderate Obama at the debate. It would probably be a good strategy except that his flip-flops can easily be used against him by any competent politician.

When Obama is running around throwing out lame, worn-out John Kerry lines from 2004 about "tax breaks for China outsourcing" and "oil credits" (as if Obama has not been president for four years), while Romney is defending the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence with passion, of course it feels like Romney is kicking Obama's [Inks] and looks like a moderate in comparison.

America is a center-right country, so of course Obama's Chicago liberalism appears more out-of-touch than Romney's common sense conservatism.
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2012, 05:39:35 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2012, 05:48:54 PM by Politico »


With these type of out-of-context shenanigans and so forth, Democrats have lost all credibility with everybody other than the choir after the first debate. Romney crushed the caricature you built up, and you can no longer fool people with that stuff over the next four weeks. It's over if you're just clinging to these tactics and have nothing more. It won't even be close. LGBT activists and pseudo-socialists can continue pushing their rubbish, or the Democratic Party can revert back to Al Gore 2000 mode (i.e., scramble like consummate professionals, and maybe pull off a close victory)

Sorry, but you guys are finished unless you have something to offer that actually looks reasonable next to what Romney produced on Wednesday night. "uh, uh, I'm a likeable guy who is, uh, uh, working hard and, uh, uh, my predecessor left me a mess" just isn't going to cut it. Distorting Romney is not going to work moving forward either because you created a situation where people expected Romney to be Donald Trump, and now they no longer trust you when you talk about Romney because they know what they saw on Wednesday night and they liked it. He was not Donald Trump like you said he would be, so why should they believe ANYTHING you have to say to them moving forward?

In conclusion, you folks need to talk about Obama's record, and somehow convince people they should want four more years of it.

Good luck.
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2012, 05:52:46 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2012, 06:05:18 PM by Politico »

What's interesting is that up until this week the conservative media would attack Romney for any deviation from conservative purity. Remember when one of his spokespeople defended Romneycare in August? Anne Coulter demanded people stop making donations until she was fired (she was actually never fired). But after the DNC and 47% it appears that he now has a be a moderate for free card from the conservatives. Tout covering pre-existing conditions, say you arent lowering taxes on the rich, praise wall st. regulations, etc. Romney is in full EtchASketch but as he was being declared DOA a week ago they are giving him a pass.

Of course Team Obama should have been expecting it. Romney won the primaries by outflanking his opponents, running to the right of them on one issue or two. He will likely do it again in the town hall meeting. And I wouldnt be surprised if he called for an immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan in the FP debate.

Romney's response to Obama's only positive talking point ("I got Bin Laden!"):

"Yes, David Petreaus' and Robert Gates' strategy, the strategy of our Secretary of State and top military brass, led to the death of Osama Bin Laden. Nobody is denying that. Obviously I agree with the president that it is good that Osama Bin Laden is dead. Good riddance! If I had been president, not only would I have approved that same plan, a plan crafted and executed by our brave, couragous men and women in the CIA and Navy SEALs, I would have declared victory in Afghanistan the day afterward and began withdrawing. It was a mistake to not declare victory in Afghanistan. We won, they lost, and, if you'll excuse me, Mr. President, we should have been more loud and proud about it. We should have declared victory in Afghanistan. If I am elected president, we will have the strongest military in the history of the world, and nobody will dare challenge us. We will have--we must have--peace through strength."

Obama: I, uh, [insert a wore out talking point with a lot of uh's since there is no teleprompter in sight; from a stylistic standpoint, the president fails to project a stronger "alpha male" stature than Governor Romney]

*The myth that Democrats have an advantage on foreign policy is thereby crushed once and for all with less than three weeks to go; some LGBT activists amp up the fiery rhetoric while most Democrats become very "meh" about the whole election*
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2012, 06:06:34 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2012, 06:13:24 PM by Politico »

Romney is the greatest champion of free market economics since Reagan. All of his positions on social issues are conservative, but he is tolerant of others and moderate in his temperament.

There is a reason why Republicans are fired up like never before, and it is not because "Romney is a moderate again." They are fired up because Romney has done something nobody has done since Reagan: He has convincingly shown a strong majority of the country that common-sense conservative principles are the path to prosperity.

Bottomline: You were simply duped into believing the Romney caricature that Obama has spent months building up. It was merely a figment of Democrats' wild imaginations.

BTW, it would take 17 years for 114,000 jobs per month to produce 23 million jobs. If millions had not given up hope over the last four years, unemployment would be 11% today. But, by all means, please feel free to return to your regularly scheduled programming of 21st Century Nero fiddling with a teleprompter while America burns...

• Unilaterally, illegally & unconstitutionally instituted same-sex “marriage” falsely claiming the “court ordered him to.”
• Signed the forerunner to Obamacare (Romneycare) into law which includes $50 tax-subsidized elective surgical abortions including late-term abortions into law (3 years AFTER his fake “pro-life conversion.”)
• Boosted funding for homosexual “education” starting in kindergarten.
• Opposes a ban on homosexual scoutmasters.
• Promised the homosexual Republican “Log Cabin Republicans” he wouldn’t oppose “gay marriage” in return for their endorsement. Proof here
• Instituted a quasi-socialist healthcare plan endorsed by Hillary Clinton, Teddy Kennedy and Planned Parenthood that destroyed the Massachusetts’ economy.
• Forced Catholic Charities, the nation’s #1 adoption and foster care service to place children with same sex couples even though he was under no legal obligation to do so as even former Governor Michael Dukakis has acknowledged.
• Increased taxes and fees by close to a billion dollars which destroyed the Massachusetts’ economy and opposed the Bush Tax Cuts.
• Voted # 8 RINO by Human Events.
• Passed over Republican lawyers for three quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he faced and nominated 2 open homosexuals.
• Criticized Joint Chief’s of Staff, Peter Pace for saying that homosexual acts were “immoral.”
• Supports passage at the state level of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act which would force churches and other religious organizations to hire homosexuals and transvestites or face criminal fines and prosecution.
• Romney supported McCain-Feingold “campaign finance reform”, McCain-Kennedy “comprehensive immigration reform” (i.e. amnesty), and parts of the McCain-Lieberman “carbon cap and trade” bill and opposed the Bush Tax Cuts.

He's not a moderate Massachusetts Republican. He is a liberal.

Just a few days ago you and every other Democrat in the country were telling everybody that Mitt Romney was Donald Trump, a man without any heart or passion, and now you guys are saying that Mitt is a bleeding heart liberal? LOL And you think Independents and conservatives are going to listen to Democrats like you after all of the BS that was thrown at Romney in September, BS that he simply crushed with absolute precision last Wednesday?

Good luck trying to get the president four more years. I strongly recommend getting used to saying, "President Romney."
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2012, 06:09:32 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2012, 06:12:06 PM by Politico »

He's born again.  And he is a much happier man now. He was unhappy much of the time during the primaries. Who wouldn't be?  I mean what you really want to say so much of the time, is hey dude, you are just a freaking totally unelectable nut ball. I would have asked Michelle why she looked stoned all the time. I would have asked Cain just why he thought God was so interested in the Tax Code. I might have brain lock with Ron Paul however. He is just a space alien to me. And then there was Newt. I would demand that he release his psychiatric medical records and ask him what was the book he read that led him to believe that are Founders were a pack of God fearing religious zealots, and just why he hates Chief Justice John Marshall so much. Enough said.

This. And a hearty LOL to go with it.

The best part: Republicans finally realize that Romney's Way is essentially Reagan's Way. And there's no way to stop it moving forward, not with just four weeks to go...
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2012, 06:17:06 PM »

Romney is the greatest champion of free market economics since Reagan. All of his positions on social issues are conservative, but he is tolerant of others and moderate in his temperament.

There is a reason why Republicans are fired up like never before, and it is not because "Romney is a moderate again." They are fired up because Romney has done something nobody has done since Reagan: He has convincingly shown a strong majority of the country that common-sense conservative principles are the path to prosperity.

Bottomline: You were simply duped into believing the Romney caricature that Obama has spent months building up. It was merely a figment of Democrats' wild imaginations.

BTW, it would take 17 years for 114,000 jobs per month to produce 23 million jobs. If millions had not given up hope over the last four years, unemployment would be 11% today. But, by all means, please feel free to return to your regularly scheduled programming of 21st Century Nero fiddling with a teleprompter while America burns...

• Unilaterally, illegally & unconstitutionally instituted same-sex “marriage” falsely claiming the “court ordered him to.”
• Signed the forerunner to Obamacare (Romneycare) into law which includes $50 tax-subsidized elective surgical abortions including late-term abortions into law (3 years AFTER his fake “pro-life conversion.”)
• Boosted funding for homosexual “education” starting in kindergarten.
• Opposes a ban on homosexual scoutmasters.
• Promised the homosexual Republican “Log Cabin Republicans” he wouldn’t oppose “gay marriage” in return for their endorsement. Proof here
• Instituted a quasi-socialist healthcare plan endorsed by Hillary Clinton, Teddy Kennedy and Planned Parenthood that destroyed the Massachusetts’ economy.
• Forced Catholic Charities, the nation’s #1 adoption and foster care service to place children with same sex couples even though he was under no legal obligation to do so as even former Governor Michael Dukakis has acknowledged.
• Increased taxes and fees by close to a billion dollars which destroyed the Massachusetts’ economy and opposed the Bush Tax Cuts.
• Voted # 8 RINO by Human Events.
• Passed over Republican lawyers for three quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he faced and nominated 2 open homosexuals.
• Criticized Joint Chief’s of Staff, Peter Pace for saying that homosexual acts were “immoral.”
• Supports passage at the state level of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act which would force churches and other religious organizations to hire homosexuals and transvestites or face criminal fines and prosecution.
• Romney supported McCain-Feingold “campaign finance reform”, McCain-Kennedy “comprehensive immigration reform” (i.e. amnesty), and parts of the McCain-Lieberman “carbon cap and trade” bill and opposed the Bush Tax Cuts.

He's not a moderate Massachusetts Republican. He is a liberal.

Just a few days ago you were telling everybody that Mitt Romney was Donald Trump, a man without any heart or passion, and now he's a bleeding heart liberal? LOL And you think Independents and conservatives are going to listen to Democrats like you after all of the BS that was thrown at Romney in September, BS that he simply crushed with absolute precision last Wednesday?

Good luck trying to get the president four more years. I strongly recommend getting used to saying, "President Romney."

No, I never said that. Politico, there are MANY Red Californians out there. I promise you I never said that. Maybe your confusing me with Tony?

Also, to be fair, I believe Mitt has no Social position on anything. I'm saying his RECORD is very liberal. I don't know, maybe he is against desegregation, I don't know. I do know that his Social Issues, from what he had while governing, were liberal. You can't say "Oh, well it's a blue state". So? That's like me saying "Obama is against NDAA, but this a Conservative Country so he has to appeal to them". Do you understand how ignorant you sound?

Do you understand how ineffective your current tactic is?

The Obama camp has ZERO credibility with Independents now, so the "Romney is a Monster" meme has been slayed, and cannot be resurrected with four weeks to go. Reverting to "Romney is a flip-flopper" will not work because, again, you have ZERO credibility with anybody other than the Democratic faithful. You shot yourselves in the foot by going too far with the "Romney is a Monster" BS. I even warned you guys on here.

The president's team has one viable option left: Somehow convince people they want four more years.

Good luck.
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2012, 06:19:35 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2012, 06:22:03 PM by Politico »

In good times, you get median voter elections; both candidates run to a center that us deemed respectable by enough voters. In bad times, you get a change election. Both candidates run away from the status quo, or the incumbent tries to make the challenger seem worse than even whatever the current situation is in highly charged terms. Up until last week, this was a change election. Romney was relying in telling everyone how bad things were and presenting an ideological alternative; Obama was focused on arguing that things were getting better and presenting Romney as an unacceptable alternative. Wednesday night, Romney switched it back to a median voter election. There are still some change elements here, but what was special about the debate was the median voter pivot. It suddenly became the 2000 election all over again.

In other words, Obama promised to fix the country, and Romneys pivot ironically shows that Obama succeeded. Smiley The shift of the GOP candidate to behaving as if this is a median voter election is an implicit admission that things have improved under Obama, because a shift to the 'center' is always to some extent an endorsement of the status quo. Fridays jobs report and other reports throughout last week simply underscored that. Smiley

Who is going through the five stages of grief now? Tongue

It would take 17 years of 114,000 jobs per month to create 23 million jobs. If millions had not given up hope over the last four years, the unemployment rate would be 11% today (and this excludes people with part-time work who want full-time work). Furthermore, 50% of college graduates this year have been unable to find work. Once Romney mentions this stuff in the next uncensored debate, liberals are going to lose the last modicum of credibility that they had left among Independents. They are going to be very, very angry with liberals.

Most of the American public is not stupid nor are they duped by your liberal ideology.
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2012, 06:23:48 PM »

Romney is the greatest champion of free market economics since Reagan. All of his positions on social issues are conservative, but he is tolerant of others and moderate in his temperament.

There is a reason why Republicans are fired up like never before, and it is not because "Romney is a moderate again." They are fired up because Romney has done something nobody has done since Reagan: He has convincingly shown a strong majority of the country that common-sense conservative principles are the path to prosperity.

Bottomline: You were simply duped into believing the Romney caricature that Obama has spent months building up. It was merely a figment of Democrats' wild imaginations.

BTW, it would take 17 years for 114,000 jobs per month to produce 23 million jobs. If millions had not given up hope over the last four years, unemployment would be 11% today. But, by all means, please feel free to return to your regularly scheduled programming of 21st Century Nero fiddling with a teleprompter while America burns...

• Unilaterally, illegally & unconstitutionally instituted same-sex “marriage” falsely claiming the “court ordered him to.”
• Signed the forerunner to Obamacare (Romneycare) into law which includes $50 tax-subsidized elective surgical abortions including late-term abortions into law (3 years AFTER his fake “pro-life conversion.”)
• Boosted funding for homosexual “education” starting in kindergarten.
• Opposes a ban on homosexual scoutmasters.
• Promised the homosexual Republican “Log Cabin Republicans” he wouldn’t oppose “gay marriage” in return for their endorsement. Proof here
• Instituted a quasi-socialist healthcare plan endorsed by Hillary Clinton, Teddy Kennedy and Planned Parenthood that destroyed the Massachusetts’ economy.
• Forced Catholic Charities, the nation’s #1 adoption and foster care service to place children with same sex couples even though he was under no legal obligation to do so as even former Governor Michael Dukakis has acknowledged.
• Increased taxes and fees by close to a billion dollars which destroyed the Massachusetts’ economy and opposed the Bush Tax Cuts.
• Voted # 8 RINO by Human Events.
• Passed over Republican lawyers for three quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he faced and nominated 2 open homosexuals.
• Criticized Joint Chief’s of Staff, Peter Pace for saying that homosexual acts were “immoral.”
• Supports passage at the state level of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act which would force churches and other religious organizations to hire homosexuals and transvestites or face criminal fines and prosecution.
• Romney supported McCain-Feingold “campaign finance reform”, McCain-Kennedy “comprehensive immigration reform” (i.e. amnesty), and parts of the McCain-Lieberman “carbon cap and trade” bill and opposed the Bush Tax Cuts.

He's not a moderate Massachusetts Republican. He is a liberal.

Just a few days ago you were telling everybody that Mitt Romney was Donald Trump, a man without any heart or passion, and now he's a bleeding heart liberal? LOL And you think Independents and conservatives are going to listen to Democrats like you after all of the BS that was thrown at Romney in September, BS that he simply crushed with absolute precision last Wednesday?

Good luck trying to get the president four more years. I strongly recommend getting used to saying, "President Romney."

No, I never said that. Politico, there are MANY Red Californians out there. I promise you I never said that. Maybe your confusing me with Tony?

Also, to be fair, I believe Mitt has no Social position on anything. I'm saying his RECORD is very liberal. I don't know, maybe he is against desegregation, I don't know. I do know that his Social Issues, from what he had while governing, were liberal. You can't say "Oh, well it's a blue state". So? That's like me saying "Obama is against NDAA, but this a Conservative Country so he has to appeal to them". Do you understand how ignorant you sound?

Do you understand how ineffective your current tactic is?

The Obama camp has ZERO credibility with Independents now, so the "Romney is a Monster" meme has been slayed, and cannot be resurrected with four weeks to go. Reverting to "Romney is a flip-flopper" will not work because, again, you have ZERO credibility with anybody other than the Democratic faithful. You shot yourselves in the foot by going too far with the "Romney is a Monster" BS. I even warned you guys on here.

The president's team has one viable option left: Somehow convince people they want four more years.

Good luck.

So, repeat us "nobody wants four more years of the last four years" one thousand times is going to be very effective, right?

In case you have not noticed, it's working. The president cannot beat back that line because of the constraints he is subjected to (i.e., it is true that very few people want the next four years looking like the last four years).

As long we get to 270, no matter how we do it, we've achieved our objective subject to our constraints.
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2012, 06:42:06 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2012, 06:50:13 PM by Politico »

Furthermore, 50% of college graduates this year have been unable to find work.

Another Romney lie. You seriously want to claim this guy understands math?

http://studentactivism.net/2012/10/04/romney-unemployment/

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He was talking about 50% of people who graduated in May 2012. We're on a downturn again. This year is worse than last year, and last year was worse than the year before. For example, only 114,000 jobs were created in September of this year whereas over 200,000 jobs were created in September of last year.

Trust me, Obama and Co. would be all over this if it were untrue.

BTW, I may be wrong, but I think college graduates did not expect to finish their degree only to end repeating ad nauseum "do you want fries with that?" in the Obama Economy.

With regards to young gay people, how are they ever going to have a successful relationship, let alone a successful marriage, if they cannot even start a successful career?

This economy is not working for anybody except those in Washington, DC, the masters of this "trickle-down government" approach. Romney will change this because we must change if we want any hope of actually moving forward over the next four years.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2012, 07:09:35 PM »

With regards to young gay people, how are they ever going to have a successful relationship, let alone a successful marriage, if they cannot even start a successful career?

I'm sorry but what is the logic of this statement?

The logic: Being unable to find a job is a bit more troublesome than not being able to marry somebody, especially since not many people are going to want to be in a relationship with you, let alone marry you, if you cannot find a job in the Obama Economy.
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2012, 07:17:56 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2012, 07:20:40 PM by Politico »

Furthermore, 50% of college graduates this year have been unable to find work.

Another Romney lie. You seriously want to claim this guy understands math?

http://studentactivism.net/2012/10/04/romney-unemployment/

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He was talking about 50% of people who graduated in May 2012. We're on a downturn again. This year is worse than last year, and last year was worse than the year before. For example, only 114,000 jobs were created in September of this year whereas over 200,000 jobs were created in September of last year.

Trust me, Obama and Co. would be all over this if it were untrue.

I'm not convinced they would be all over it.

It is a figure that is devastating for the youth vote, so of course they'd be yelling loud about this one if the employment picture were good for recent grads. It is not.

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Look at the trend:



We're flat-lining again. This is not good. The recovery has not even matched the weak recovery in the early/mid 2000s, and that recession was NOWHERE near as bad as this one. We need 262,000 jobs per month for an extended period just to eventually break-even:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/us-needs-generate-262k-jobs-each-month-get-back-breakeven

It would take 17 years for 114,000 jobs per month to create 23 million jobs. 17 years!

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Obama's plan is to get them dependent upon food stamps for life. Maybe give them an Obama Phone, too...
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2012, 07:24:39 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2012, 07:26:19 PM by Politico »

Wait- did Romney flp flop on gay marriage? You can get married to someone of the same gender if you have a job?

You can in Massachusetts. Romney believes marriage is between a man and a woman, just as Obama did in 2008, but he also believes that gay marriage is a state issue, not a federal issue.

Like everybody else, gays are struggling in this economy. Lack of job opportunities is the number one problem facing gay people, not gay marriage.
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2012, 07:32:35 PM »

No, you misunderstood what data I was asking you for. Fact checkers seem to think Romney's college grad numbers are from a 2011 report. I provided two sources to show that's not accurate. If he's truly using May 2012 grads in this claim, prove to me he's not pulling this claim out of his ass. Where has anyone other than Romney said this about May 2012 grads?

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We've gone from 35 million people to 47 million people on food stamps. Romney misspoke. Romney admits he was wrong. Romney has been around the country, and realizes that the vast majority of people on food stamps do not like being dependent upon government. These people want to be independent again. This will not happen until job opportunities return. The trickle-government approach out of Washington just is not cutting it. It's time to change course.
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